Bigger achievement Duran/Leonard or Leonard/Hagler

Duran/Leonard. Not necessarily the harder or riskier fight, but more significant because Leonard was a young champion and Hagler was faded. Leonard wasn't at his best either, of course, which is why I say it's not necessarily the harder fight. But I feel it's more historically significant in the division, as a title fight.

 

For me Duran vs Leonard tops it and not particularly close.

Duran moved up from LW, to tackle what many feel is a top5/10 WW ATG in his prime in Leonard. I rank this just behind Armstrong Ross as one of the most meaningful fights in history. While there is a little bit of revisionist history, on the whole there is little to no controversy surrounding the decision in this fight. Most feel that Duran was rightfully given the verdict, over what many fealt was the best fighter of that day in his prime, while being outside of his prime weight class himself.

Leonard was aging and his performance against Hagler was very nice considering his own layoff, age and also being outside of both his prime years and weight. Hagler while still the cream of the MW division is not the prime/peak Hagler many think off. His hooks were extremely wide and slow in this fight although SRL certainly needs to be given some credit for that. Hagler waited to long (by the official cards not mine) to turn up the intensity, and that likely cost him the decision although I had him by 1 on my card. This fight also is widely disputed both in it's day as well as in our time.

I think the relativeness of the boxers to their primes, and the performances as well, make Durans victory much more significant. Although I disagree with the SRL-Hagler decision is a quite a big achievement as well. I just don't veiw it on par with Duran-SRL!

 

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The difference in starting to happening weights is about the same :
135/147 in Duran/Leonard case to 147/160 in Leonard/Hagler case plus both went up to win titles at 160 to 168 ("175") accordingly , so in this aspect Duran has the edge , but this was not the question.
Back to the question there is less controversy surrounding Duran's win over Leonard so Duran's achievement is the bigger one.
Back to the overall comparison both fought Camacho well past their primes and while Leonard was stopped by Camacho , Duran lasted the distance twice against him.
Leonard was definitely the more successful against Hearns , and only slightly more against Hagler.
Also the Benitez fights can imply on the H2H comparison.
So H2H Leonard is above Duran which is not surprising because Leonard is bigger.
But P4P looks like Duran has the edge over Leonard.

 

What do you mean "Less Controversy" are you suggesting that there are some wanks out there who thought Leonard won:rofl

The only thing thats controvesial about Montreal is the scorecards being close...........Duran pissed it & the fight was sown up after 10:deal

 

So what is your problem with my post ? your weakness at reading comprehension ?

 

There's some growing opinion that Leonard-Duran was controversial? I don't see it. I think it is significant that the lightweight champ beat such a good welterweight champ. But it wasn't unexpected. Not from my point of view, anyway.

I think we could see Hagler was slipping in his fight against Mugabi. Maybe we didn't know he had slipped that much, but we knew he was winding down. It is a significant fight because of the controversy of the scoring, however. We are still talking about that to this day.

 

Hey wankbag:deal If you can't answer the question you zombie (Know doubt due to the fact that you hav'nt got a clue as per usual) then don't reply:smoke

Acually lets test "your weakness at reading comprehension" shall we as i'll give you a 2nd chance to explain yerself...you said "Quote"

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For there too be less controversy there had to be SOME!!!!! according to YOU!!! so explain what was controversial about the decision & i hope thats a simple enough question for even you to grasp:smoke

 

Leonard fought Hagler because he knew Marvin's reflexes,as well as hand and footspeed were gone after witnessing the Roldan and Mugabi fights.If Hagler weren't so past it,Leonard NEVER would have fought him.Duran,on the other hand,beat the Leonard that stopped Wilfred Benitez.This shouldn't even be a thread because it's ridiculously obvious.

 

I never raised a claim about the Duran-Leonard fight being controversial nor do I remember anyone else claiming it.

This is where you fail

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, again.

 

Ray Leonard beating Marvin Hagler. Hagler was a huge favorite to beat Leonard.

If Roberto Duran is as good as so many says he is (he's not). Than he never should have lost to Leonard in the first place. How can beating someone you should beat be an achievement in the first place?

 

Leonard Hagler because i hate the little fat "i need a poo" Duran

 

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Duran beating Leonard is was and always will be bigger and more significant. When Fighters are in the prime are when fights matter, Hagler nor Leanord where in the prime for there fight.