Bigger challenge ; Leonard vs Hagler or Crawford vs Alvarez

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  1. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Ray was inactive and moved up 13 pounds but he was the younger man and Hagler was slipping. Crawford is the older man but active jumping up 14 plus.
     
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  2. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I think you know the answer, if you look inside of your self. Because a little p4p exists inside of all of us.
     
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  3. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Canelo is a level below Marvin. Oh, Bud is going to win
     
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  4. slash

    slash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've seen this before.

    Hagler was a favorite over Leonard.
     
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  5. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I can't decide next months fight ... to me it's whoever has more left .. both are older, the feeling is Crawford P4P is better and that Canelo is slipping from lack of true challanges but it's a big weight jump and Canelo may have much more left than people think ... It's a tough one ...
     
  6. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Crawford. The dude was a 135 champ.
     
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  7. TipNom

    TipNom Active Member Full Member

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    Crawford pretty clearly. A less active, much smaller, older man, with less pro experience jumping up two weight classes (he only had 1 fight at 154) to fight the current undisputed Super middle champ. Leonard had fought above welterweight a good few times and beaten a strong 154 champ in Kalule. Crawford has only had one fight above welterweight, and is going against a guy who won a title at 175.

    Think about it like this. If Hagler had destroyed Leonard, that would've enhanced his legacy. Even though Leonard was smaller and past his best, Hagler still had something to gain in that fight. Canelo on the other hand stands to gain absolutely nothing if he beats Crawford because he holds almost every conceivable advantage.
     
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    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Solid points except so many people in the industry are picking Crawford since the bout was made I think that changed ... still Canelo may be in a nothing to win situation while Crawford has all to win ... we'll see