bigger disgrace? haye vs valuev or klitschko vs ibragimov?

OK, for ****'s sake. Stop with this stupid bull**** "all of Haye's" fights have been garbage."

No, they ****ing have not! Haye had two bad fights, and suddenly he's become a snooze - fest fighter with no good fights? People really ****ing surprise me on this forum, they really ****ing do.

 

haye was fighting a giant . Anybody would be fighting cautious against Valuev. Wlad has the size advantage in every one of his fights, and he still fights scared.

 

Is that the real Richel Hersisia? You are a very good fighter, you just came up against a prime A-Force. Respect.

 

I think haye-valuev was much worse. First of all wlad had only size advantage over ibragimov, ibragimov is overall much better fighter than valuev, speed and boxing skills and thats the reason wlad had to be carefull throughout the fight. Now you got haye who has practically every advantage over valuev (exccept size) and you got the biggest and slowest world champion in the history, throwing more punches in 12 rounds than haye- the heavyweight saviour lol.

 

.. What are you talking about?atsch
Wlad had literally every advantage bar none.

 

Yeah, and in the meantime, valuev is the slowest, monumental champ u can imagine. Chagaev showed how to win with valuev.

 

Well I don't think wlad has better speed than ibragimov. Also ibragimov is smaller and weighs less so he moves faster than wlad. Also ibragimov was very good amateur and got some good wins over holyfield and briggs what means he's not ur average johnson from US spending half of his life in mcdonalds.

 

Wlad-Ibragimov was poor...the combination of Wlads overall caution combined with Sultans southpaw stance meaning he was in a position to pat away most of Klitschko's jabs meant it was pretty ****ing boring. I think the most exciting thing about the fight may have been Ibragimov coming out to 'Hustlin' By Rick Ross.

 

Puhh lease.atsch

At the stage Ibragimov fought Briggs, Briggs actually did spend half his life in McDonalds, the other half injecting steroids - so yes you are right.

And Holyfield was BEYOND shot when he fought him.

 

Rock, paper, scissors!

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you may be right, but the same BEYOND Holyfield gave SNV a good parformance, fight witch I thought Holyfield was more like a winner than a looser. It's twisted, you see...

 

That mcdonald briggs almost KO'ed lennox lewis, also he was 262 lbs with a sixpack in vitali fight. Also briggs has wins over guys like foreman or liachowicz and fought a lot 10-12 rounds fights. So for me he's not ur johnson mcdonald who has stamina for 4 rounds. Also taking PED's didn't help him against ibragimov.

 

Yeah, few years later after ibrgimov's fight he fought better with valuev than haye.

 

Few years? it was the very next fight, 1 year in time....

 

Well, he didn't get any younger or better in that time, that's for sure.