Bigger Puncher , Better Fighter ... Shannon Briggs or Primo Carnera ?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Does this read like a competitive fight to you or not?
    "Lewis charged across the ring to meet Briggs, hit mostly arms and elbows, then was backed away by an overhand right by Briggs, the first solid punch of the fight. A more cautious Lewis then began stalking, stepping into Briggs behind his long jab. Then, out of nowhere, Briggs caught Lewis with the left hook that sent him reeling into the ropes, and before he could get his balance, Briggs was back on him, flailing away. Lewis covered and tried to tie up Briggs, but Briggs stepped back and hit him on the head with a right that turned Lewis around. Lewis caught himself with his gloves to keep from falling, then covered on the ropes and was saved by the bell. Briggs went back to his corner with a smile on his face, and when he returned for Round 2, he was like a schoolboy with a new bike. He unloaded the left again and caught Lewis flush again, but this time Lewis held Briggs with an armlock, which drew a warning from the referee. By Round 3, Lewis seemed to have regained his composure and peppered Briggs with a piston jab, catching him twice with right hand leads to Briggs' jaw. Briggs began bleeding from the mouth. Briggs ran into a flurry of head shots at the start of Round 4, grabbed the top rope to keep from falling, then ran into another flurry that sent him reeling backward, his knees bending. The ropes kept him from going down. But Lewis, smelling the end, was on top of him again, and this time a solid right to the head put Briggs on his back. He looked to his corner for help, got up, and fought back before the bell. When Briggs returned for Round 5, his mouth was open, oozing blood, and Lewis was punishing him now with the jab, with uppercuts and combinations that Briggs couldn't avoid. Then a left hook from left field caught Briggs and sent him down once more. But Briggs managed to get up at the count of eight and tried to fight back, but couldn't. He went down again, and this time Cappuccino waved the bout over. Briggs, on his knees, looked up and argued." Carnera was past his best at 28 years old?
    He had lost one of his last 23 fights over the last 3 years, and that one to Max Baer.
    Where is the evidence of a decline in his abiilty?
    He beat Nuesel in his next fight for one of his best wins!
     
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  2. janitor

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    That I have to seriously doubt.

    If somebody won't fight a live body unless there is a title on the line, then they are probably not going to be confident against the very best of a weaker era.
     
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  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    If you look at the lists in the lineal champions thread, it was not difficult to find five good wins for Carnera.
     
  4. mcvey

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    If you think Gross is a good win,I guess not.
     
  5. Man_Machine

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    Your serious doubt seems to be based on your subjective characterization of Briggs attitudes to opposition. I do not necessarily share it.

    Even if it were accurate, I'm note sure how applicable your assertion could be, anyway.

    The post-Dempesy/Tunney to pre-Louis era was sparsely populated with top-class heavyweights. Briggs would likely feel at home during that era.
     
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  6. janitor

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    This is my list for Carnera.

    1. Jack Sharkey II
    2. Ernie Schaff
    3. Tommy Loughran
    4. King Levinsky II
    5. George Godfrey

    I am really going to struggle to find five good wins for Briggs when the time comes!
     
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    It was sparsely populated with big heavyweights.

    It was absolutely stacked with very good smaller heavyweights.
     
  8. Man_Machine

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    ^One of the reasons Carnera appeared to thrive within it.
     
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  9. Mendoza

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    Maybe McVey will vote someday, why not for Briggs?
     
  10. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Briggs off PED's in the 1930's with plenty of 15 round fights, for a guy who gassed might not not be quite the cakewalk some think.

    I generally agree on the 1930s heavyweights being a lesser lot, however you can't say they didn't fight each other.
     
  11. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    It's an interesting fight because Primo was a much lighter puncher so Briggs could take his power .. Primo's best shot is to go long and out stamina Briggs ..
     
  12. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I know but I was responding to someone else post.
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    Briggs punching power is a complete myth.

    He's knocked out one more ranked opponent than Zuri Lawrence.
     
  14. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is a myth though. Briggs would never beat Shakrey, Schmeling or even non-champion top contenders. Briggs wouldn't have been a top fighter in late 1920s and early 1930s.
     
  15. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    And then got destroyed twice by Haynes .. maybe he just could not stand up to big punching guys w some speed .. Haynes was tough but not all time great status .. I don't think Primo was as hapless as many make him but he was packaged and manufactured and while he did ok in certain stylistic match ups in others he was totally outclassed, exposed and destroyed ..
     
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