bigger threat to mayweather....ortiz or cotto

No more than yours would be qualified as a "*******" opinion. Cotto hasn't looked formidable in quite some time, hell was there not a thread not too long ago with a lot of people calling for him to retire? Tony ruined Cotto and he hasn't been the same since.

 

Cotto is finished on an Elite level, I think Ortiz would beat him right now at 147? Don't get me wrong I like Cotto, I respect his accomplishments, but he's not done anything post Tony to make me believe he's even close to what he once was.

 

That's exactly what I'm saying...he couldn't finish Foreman with Yuri having a blown ACL/MCL, he had moments against Mayorga who hadn't been worth a **** in years, overall he's been very unimpressive. The left hook is "meh", he's hesitant and afraid to be hit now, he has OK speed, and his skills have clearly deminished. Pac didn't ruin Cotto, Tony did, Pac just confirmed it.

 

A lot of fighters are NOT the same after their first loss...especially a brutal one like that. But Champions.....True and proven champions so resolve and the ability to resurrect a seemingly dead career after "career ending" types of losses.

While Cotto was physically "BEAT" in his fight with Tony he wasn't removed from his senses and out cold like Ricky. He actually WON the first half of the fight pretty easy..... Of course Tony won the 2nd half and wore Cotto down and grinded him out....but it was a COMPETITIVE FIGHT!

You want to see what a shot fighter looks like after a career ending loss.....look at Ricky Hatton. Only he was smart enough to know what time it was. Cotto isn't Ricky. He's proven! He's mentioned in same breath as guys like DLH, Trinidad, PAC, Floyd, JCC, Whitaker, Jones ect......he's not at the top of the list but he's in good company. And it's his POST Marg wins that has legitimized his legacy.

 

He lost to Clottey, a lot of boxing people will agree to that. Fighting in MSG on the eve of the Puerto Rican day parade, basically a gifted hometown hero decision. Cotto pedals better then Lance.

If you think Cotto looked good against Clottey, I have to ask, are you Puerto Rican yourself? And is this more of a national pride thing you have going on or unbiased analytical opinion?

We're all entitled to our opinions. I can appreciate yours, and respect it as well, I just don't agree with it.

 

Getting beat like Cotto did by bricks is the type of thing to scar you. Why do you think he has a damn catvhweight at 153 for his fight

 

Ortiz is taller than Cotto, has a longer reach, and rehydrates to around 161 lbs. He's a bigger guy than Cotto

Mayweather fought Shane in 2010. That version of Shane would have wiped the floor with Zab from 2006. Even if you want to dismiss that, Emmanuel Augustus is not as good as Corales, Chicanito Hernandez or even Gatti. Yet he gave Floyd a tougher fight than all of those guys.

Again, I don't care what Ortiz has done or not done. It's all about styles. Furthermore, Cotto almost got knocked out by Torres who is not as good as Maidana, and should've lost to Clottey who isn't as talented as Peterson.

None of this has anything to do with whether or not Ortiz matches up better than Cotto against Mayweather.

Does Cotto have good head movement? No. Does he have good defense? No. Is he a one handed fighter? Yes. Does he have balance issues? Yes. Does Cotto have footwork issues? Yes. Does Cotto have stamina issues? Yes.Is Cotto on the decline? Yes. Let's also not forget that Cotto is shorter and has a much shorter reach than Floyd. That's a recipe for disaster against Mayweather. Ortiz has his own set of issues which will probably be his undoing against Mayweather. However, he's bigger than Floyd, he acutally has better footspeed than Floyd at this point, he's a bigger puncher than Cotto, he's a southpaw, and he actually has a two fisted attack. Ortiz may end up getting pummeled, but his skillset is better suited to take on a guy like Mayweather than is Cotto's.

 

The fight with Yuri was stopped homie. Best believe Cotto would have gotten Yuri out had the fight went on. Take into consideration his new training situation. Working on new technique from a completely new trainer in a relatively "low risk" fight is always a feeling out process.

Mayorga lost only to the best. He was actually beating Shane if I'm not mistaken....only to be caught at the last second of the last round by a beautiful left hook by Sugar....the same kind that DLH threw in the 2nd to set up his showdown with Floyd.

How come Mayorga or Yuri couldn't "confirm" what PAC was already suppose to have done with his 11th Round KO?

Was Ricky "confirmed Shot" after Floyd's 10th Round KO or the 2nd Round coma PAC put him in?

 

:rofl I'm sorry....I can't take you seriously. The Josh vs Cotto fight was a very good fight between TWO TOP Welters. Some thought Josh won but most felt Cotto did. It was a close competitive fight where Cotto acted like a champion and Josh acted like the challenger looking for help and excuses. That was the difference. It wasn't a robbery kid...that's just silly.

No...Not PR...just a boxing fan.

 

Cotto is done and has been since the Margarito beating.

 

LOL at Cotto being a treat to May when he's having life and death battle's with a shot 40 year old, fringe contender at best fighter like Mayorga

 

My avatar says Im Puertorican, Im a fan of BOXING first and foremost. Now lets go down your list of "talented" welters.

Pac - Cotto is still his last competitive fight
Floyd - Vacation while Cotto was on his prime(Cotto WOULD lose now)
Berto - Never faced ELITE competition/Cotto and Shane would beat him.
Marg - Became irrelevant after the mosley fight.
Ortiz - NEW to the division
Clottey - :roll: If you think he deserved the win you probably think he deserved a win against pac. Hiding behind a shield dont make champions.
Foreman - Everybody and their momas had Cotto losing this one.
Mayorga - The guy is so washed up that he could very well still beat 90% of the current relevant JrMW's.


Cotto is not the threat he was back in 08 and Ortiz is inexperienced. Both pose different types of threat with Cotto edging by a margin. This whole discussion is a waste of time anyway since Cotto should be nowhere near in line for Floyd's next 3 opponents. Still, saying Cotto moved up to avoid competition is a ridiculous statement.

 

cotto pre the margo beating would have been a handful.... now mayweather would make him look stupid!!

 

The same Cotto that was getting dropped or badly stunned in almost every match, against c-level fighters at 140

 

Cotto all the way. Floyd doesn't punch nearly as hard as AM or Pacquiao.... Cotto would cut the ring off on Floyd effectively and do some damage to the body. I'm not saying he would beat Mayweather, but there's a reason Mayweather retired in 08 instead of fighting the undefeated Cotto.