Bigger Win: Hatton RTD11 Tszyu or Pacquiao RTD8 Dela Hoya?

I bet you make a packet from betting on fights, if you can tell who is going to win by looking at them. Oscar looked lean and muscular, therefore he must lose. Good job you never bet on Thomas Hearns fights at welterweight or Alexis Arguello fights at featherweight then. atsch

 

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...whatever, dude.

At his age, having been as big as he was (and so recently before the weigh in), and looking as weakened as he did ("lean and muscular" ) - ah, forget it. Wasted on you.

 

Pacquiao over DLH.

Only genuine filthy pigs would vote for Hatton/Tszyu. That wasn't a fight, it was a circus act in England with the local fighter being allowed to apply MMA rules with no warnings.

 

If you said you knew Oscar would lose the next night when it was announced that he had lost further weight, then you might have a shred of credibility here. However, pretending you can look at someone who looks ripped and positive, and immediately know that they cannot compete, is just complete bull****, revisionism of the most infantile form. Oscar did not look like some emaciated hunger-striker who was all ribs and bone, he looked very lean and very determined. Oscar was very lean when he was 135 and 140 back in the day. For all we knew at the time, he could've produced a fighting display. As I have said, guys like Hearns and Arguello often came in like beanpoles and fought like absolute tigers.

Once we knew Oscar had dropped more weight over night, the suspicions were there, that's why I chose Hatton in this poll and why I neglected to include Pac-Oscar in my Top 50 Wins of 2000-2009 list, but to pretend you knew by looking at him that Oscar wasn't going to be able to fight is just silly, you're taking it far too far. :-(

 

I believe Hatton because it really elevated him to another status. He went from famous boxer in Britain to world class and famous worldwide. With Pac he was already established before the DeLaHoya fight. A better comparison would be a Barrera fight.

 

ODLH is the bigger win by far. Pacquiao was coming up from lightweight and was a sure underdog. Mayweather was a favourite and Hatton was coming up in weight.

 

And so the longest whinge in boxing goes on.

 

I go with Hatton.

Just because without the Tszyu win, Hatton would really be not that relevant. Without it, he would have never gotten a shot with PBF or Pac. He would never be even considered for HoF, in my humble opinion.

Remove, DLH from Pac's resume, and you still a HoFer and top 50 ATG.

 

hatton because tyszu was still competitive DLH was dehydrated and past prime

 

Remove DLH from Pac's resume and there won't be no Pac v. Hatton, Pac v. Cotto and so forth. Any win against DLH, zombie or otherwise, will right away make his opponent a pay per view attraction.

 

I can see were IB is coming from.

De La Hoya hadn't been at 147 in a good 7 years, I was skeptical before the bout that he could make it without being drained, dehydrated, etc. As soon as I seen him at the weigh-in...

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...I went from De La Hoya being the big favourite...to it being a more or less 50-50 bout. Compare the weigh in to De La Hoya v Forbes...

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...he looks fit and healthy vs Forbes...very gaunt vs Pacquiao.

Like you said, you can't judge how someone is going to perform by how they look at a weigh-in, but taking into consideration all of the factors leading up to that bout...culminating in how DLH looked at the weigh-in, and then performed...

 

There would still be Pac Hatton and Cotto Pac without DLH because Pac was already established by then.

 

I disagree. Pac would have still faced other elites because he was already in an upswing. He would have ended up probably facing 140ers instead of ODLH and eventually 147ers.

In fact, if Pac never fought ODLH I would argue that his resume would be better because Arum would be forced to put Pac slowly and not skip 140. Arum would force to build the Pac brand for the mainstream. The ODLH fight gave Arum a shortcut to that mainstream exposure and appeal. Thus allowing Arum to milk Pac now.

 

Hattons.but any win over delahoya no matter how bad he looks makes you a house hold name because of his popularity and all the hoopla before all his fights.you beat delahoya everybody knows who you are the world over.you beat tszyu and only real boxing fans realise the magnitude of the win.

 

Like you said, you can't judge how someone will perform by how they look. I agree that the next night when we heard Oscar had dropped more weight, the alarm bells were ringing, but it's not as simple and definite and immediate as that guy claimed, that's dumb. If we judge people purely and only on appearance then bulls like Jeff Lacy would be wrecking balls instead of just balls, and ATGs like Alexis Arguello would be beanpole cannon fodder instead of explosive thin men!! :good