Biggest age gap wins by an older heavyweight champion vs a primed heavyweight?

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  1. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold Hype Jobs will be hype jobs until proven so. Full Member

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    Reverse psychology?

    I'm quite confident Usyk wins this, but not sure how dirty Dubois could be as he is quite a dirty fighter and the referee will be on Dubois's side sadly.
     
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  2. Serge

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    As said, if it's the same Usyk as the first fight which is a big if because he's in his late 30s now, is 2 years older, has been in two tough fights and three long gruelling camps since sparring much naturally bigger, stronger and more powerful men, I'd feel very confident of him winning due to his speed and skills advantage. But even then it would still be enormous risk due to Dubois' big size and weight advantages, his huge advantage in youth, and his savage power.

    When Usyk decided to up the tempo and intensity towards the end of round 5 after the low blow and the following round he was piercing Dubois up with ease but I've watched all of Usyk's fights, and all his HW ones many times and I've been doing so recently comparing how he looks in each fight and in particular how fast, fluid, agile he is and how smooth, accurate and crisp his shots and combinations are and he looked great against Dubois in those regards. Not like how he used to in his prime but as good as he's looked at HW and better than he looked against Belly.

    But there is so much stacked against Usyk here: Size, power, youth, hunger, home advantage, history, Dubois being dirty, the high risk of corruption rearing its ugly head again whether it be the ref or the judges or both, and I'm expecting some skulduggery and I'd be a liar if I said I didn't have suspicions regarding other things which I won't go into.

    The margin for error for Usyk is so much lesser than it is for Dubois due to the later's size, youth and power advantages and I'm concerned there's a risk of Usyk being overconfident and being caught out by surprise tactics from Team Dubois. I think Dubois is going to be punching in 2s and 3s and then trying to catch Usyk again with a quick 2nd phase of attack and be punching him around the back of the head, low, and coming on with his head and whilst some keep questioning Dubois' gas tank, I'm not sure what they're basing that off because he has a really good one and can maintain that pressure throwing big bombs in all of his subsequent 3 fights since losing to Usyk and he's also bigger and heavier now too. I know his fights with AJ and Hrgovic didn't go late but the Miller fight did and he obviously knocked him out late and he didn't tire in the other 2 and was still hurting those bombs at a good pace. Usyk might really need to use his legs here and will he be able to do so like he used to over 12 rounds at this age whilst under constant pressure?


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  3. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold Hype Jobs will be hype jobs until proven so. Full Member

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    Even if Usyk loses this fight, he will still go down as an ATG no doubt about that, if Usyk does lose its either a trilogy with Dubois or retirement. Even if Usyk lost he wouldn't actually be particularly be bothered about losing and he would take it on the chin and congratulate Dubois as Usyk is truly a class act and a true role model to the sport.

    What I like about Usyk is that even though you were worried about him being overconfident, I think he a demon mentally and is so focused in the ring 100%, so I'm not actually worried about that aspect.

    You've made some good points about Dubois's stamina, but I think Dubois will gas out - and fairly early. Usyk just saps your energy out like no other. And we have seen Usyk gas Dubois out before.

    But yeah, I'm concerned about the hometown factor playing a huge role here. Even though it was a lowblow in my eyes in the first fight in Poland that some argued Usyk may have been a bit lucky, if something like that happens here in Dubois's territory, especially Frank Warren's - its Usyk's first ever career KD.
     
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  4. Ice8Cold

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    @Serge Off topic I know, but who do you think would win between Dubois and Fury?
     
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  5. MidniteProwler

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    Lucas Browne was 10 years older than Junior Fa. Browne was 43 Fa 33
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  6. MaccaveliMacc

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    Who cares about the belts? He was still the lineal champion. And yes, he lost, but the consensus is, he got robbed.
     
  7. rinsj

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    While I agree with you that it's "beyond extremely rare" to avoid getting knocked out by the time you reach your late 30s, you also need to realize that Usyk has only had 23 pro fights up to this point. That in and of itself is "beyond extremely rare".
     
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  8. Badbot

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    23 year age cap, absolute insanity.
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  9. Serge

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    He's had 373 fights where he has managed to evade not only not getting knocked but not even being dropped by a head shot. Hence why I explicitly said ''amateur and pro'' but you didn't quote that part of my post

    How many fighters can you name who have done that?

    Just to name a mere few who were knocked out in the amateurs

    Lennox Lewis was knocked out and dropped in the amateurs

    The ''iron jawed'' Mavrovic was knocked out twice in a round in the amateurs

    Larry Holmes was knocked out early twice in the amateurs

    David Tua was knocked out in the amateurs

    Corrie Sanders

    Anthony Joshua

    Big Joe Joyce

    Big Bang Zhang

    Bowe was knocked out/stopped twice and dropped multiple times too


    And of course you have to factor in the amount of punchers Usyk has fought in his 23 fight career and compare it to his P4P peers and also the big/huge size disparity he's been at up at HW and how he stepped up to the world level after 9 fights, not 20 or 20 + fights

    Crawford has had 41 fights but how many legit punchers or KO artists has he fought, especially his size, let alone much of way bigger?

    Inoue

    Beterbiev

    Bam-Rod

    Benavidez

    Bivol

    How many has even a 67 fight vet Clenelo fought really? He's fought quite a lot but he's had almost 3 x the amount of fights Usyk has

    And most of those have already been dropped in the pros or badly hurt by a head shot some more than once even if they've barely fought any legit punchers


    What about fighters who've been dropped, knocked out, stopped or narrowly escaped being knocked out when they'd had less pro fights than Usyk, including some by much smaller fighters like Ali vs the 22lb lighter Cooper?

    Haye by SMW journeyman Lolenga Mock?

    Loma was dropped once

    Holyfield was dropped and almost knocked out by Bert Cooper when he had 3 more pro fighters than Usyk has now

    These are just a tiny selection off the top of my head

    He could get brutally KO'd at the weekend but that doesn't change how extremely rare it is for a fighter in their late 30s to have never been knocked out or dropped by a head shot amateur or pro, let alone ones who've fought as many punchers has he has and been giving up the kind of size he has at HW and SHW in the WSB
     
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    Dropped heavily, very badly hurt, and narrowly avoiding being KO'd by much smaller men, one of whom a SMW journeyman who was 0-4-1 in their last 5 fights and has 13 KOs from 60 fights and 16 losses

    The other a Euro level Bivol sized HW

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  13. Serge

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    His legacy is set in stone and of course if he were to lose at this advanced age for a boxer when past his prime it doesn't change that much as many would be desperate for it to, the same clowns who deem everyone of their favs ''shot'' as soon as they lose when significantly, much or even way younger and dismiss all the losses, KO losses or losses their favs suffered when they were younger, much or way younger than Usyk is now.

    How many HW champs have there been at Usyk's age? How many unified ones? Undisputed ones? You can count them on one hand and with fingers to spare for the later two? How many P4P#1s have their been at Usyk's age? Not many at all

    It's a combination of many factors converging for this fight which concerns me all of which I have outlined and there is every reason to be concerned about that, whether via hook or via crook the risk is very high. Usyk has already been robbed on the cards by two judges in his fights against Brits. Very nearly robbed by one in the first fight with AJ. We've already seen flagrant corruption in 2 of Dubois' fights and on many cards in the UK, including Brit stoppages.
     
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  14. Serge

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    Really not sure how that one would pan out. Dubois could definitely catch Belly and knock him out, but Belly might be able to keep him at range and outbox him. I'd have to give it some thought
     
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  15. rinsj

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    I specifically didn't address his amateur fights because they utilize larger gloves and headgear. Referees also tend to be more protective of the fighters, stopping fights sooner to prevent excessive damage, unlike the pros.