Biggest Cherry Picker In Hw Boxing History?

Posts 13 and 14, guys, I'm not saying that you should ignore these posters. Just know that they DKSAB or cherry picking lol...

 

True

TS just be tryin to stir de pot

 

Wilder

 

Hello Biilly,

I am a historian of the game. If you want to read Jack O'Brien vs Jack Johnson in 1909, I have the fight report. The 160'ish pound Obrien according to some primary sourced was the better.

Jack Johnson ducked Langford and backed out of a signed contract to meet him. Yes, Johnson beat Langford when Sam Langford was 20 years old and 156 pounds. He also beat a teenaged Sam Mcvey, and a Raw Joe Jeannette who had a losing record in several of the fights with Johnson. Not too impressive! Furthermore, as champion Johnson had 30k, 30k, and 100k Offers to fight these men when they were in their prime.

Read below:

May 3, 1909 – The World (New York)

Black Champion Proves He Tampers With The Truth.

His Agreement to Box Before the National Sporting Club of London Was Signed with His Own Hand.

He Tried to Shift the Responsibility to Others.
World Produces Photograph of His Signed Letter - Opinion of Secretary of Club.

By William P. McLoughlin

Very few persons who have followed the course of Mistah Jack Johnson since he won the heavyweight championship of the world by walloping little Tommy Burns need to be told of the absolute indifference of the big negro to either truth or candor. Those, however, who like the man from Missouri, must "be shown" before they will believe and derive the most convincing proof of Johnson's dishonorable character from the letter which I print in this column and the photographic facsimile which accompanied that letter from London.

It will be remembered that the moment Johnson was proclaimed heavyweight champion he began to suffer from what a facetious friend of mine would call "elephantiasis of the cranium," but which the erudite Kid Griffo describes as the "swelled cocoa."

Dropped His Friends Overboard:

Johnson as soon as he gained the title, had no further use for the men who had stood by him when he was hustling after a snack of pork and chicken. Sam Fitzpatrick, who went broke and kept on borrowing from his friends to grub stake Johnson in the vague hope of getting it back when he would succeed in working the negro into the championship class, was cast aside. Johnson gave no earthly reason for this act of gross ingratitude. Fitzpatrick the faithful had to beat it back to San Francisco from Australia with all his pockets turned inside out, while the slugger he befriended arrived with bulging pocketbook and a bushel of resin unerative contracts.

More offers were made here. The negro promptly began to sidestep those to which he was already bound so as to hitch up with newer and more liberal ones. Right and left he disregarded his moral as well as literal obligations. So far did he go in this direction that in order to allay in some measure the popular indignation he began to worse than romance. He liked like the lamented Joe Mulhatton or Tom Ochiltree. He was worse than a gas meter. He blamed this, that or the other person for having signed contracts for him of which he knew nothing whatsoever.

When he threw over his agreement to box Sam Langford before the National Sporting Club in London, he declared that he had never agreed to any such proposition.

The Proof of It Is Here:

I am enabled today to present a damming proof of the four-flushing negro's duplicity and bad faith. The photograph (next column) shows Johnson's own letter to the club, signed by himself, in which he makes the offer to meet Langford. The camera does not lie.

Following is a letter from Mr. Bettinson, secretary of the National Sporting Club, which I received today:

National Sporting Club, Ltd.,
Covent Garden, W.C.
April 23, 1909

Dear Sir - I cabled you the other day that Johnson's statements were untrue, in consequence of several American newspaper cuttings I had received, in which he stated he repudiated Fitzpatrick's contracts, as if he had not any knowledge of what had been done.

Of course you will see by the enclosed photograph, that Johnson was absolutely personally responsible. In fact, the suggestion to box Langford for the same purse, win or lose, with Burns, came from him; and at the time, I thought it very decent of him to make the offer. The club did not ask him to do so, and I am quite certain we should always have been willing to have made a bigger offer, in the event of a victory over Burns. However, he is a ******, and a very bad type of one; and, as far as the club is concerned, we do not wish to bother about him, but when I see him making lying statements in the American Papers, I think it only right that I should repudiate them.

I think Johnson is throwing away the substance for the shadow, as he had 6,000 pounds worth of contracts booked up in London for six months of easy work. Of course, he may get more money in American, but I think this is pretty good booking for a black man.

I am pleased to say, we have got a good English champion. He is a big fellow, fourteen stone, and can really box well. He knocked out Moir in 2 min. 47 sec. on Monday evening last, and could do it at any time when called upon. Personally, I think he would have a great chance with Tommy Burns. How he will fare with Langford, I do not know, but he is very confident that no twelve-stone man can beat him. As a matter of fact he has seen Johnson, and think he could beat him. Still, we must wait to see how he goes with Langford before saying too much.

Sincerely yours,

A.F. Bettinson

No wonder Johnson is hissed and hooted at his every appearance on the stage here. Lovers of boxing the world over are naturally lovers of fair play. There is no other game which is so keenly sensitive to the touch of dishonor, and when there comes along a faker he generally reaps the reward for which he has sown the seen.

Langford is little better than Johnson. He has tricked and "pulled" and faked in the ring whenever it suited the purpose of his backers. He has hopped aside when Johnson almost caught with the goods on him.

I should like to see the two of 'em inside the ropes, and I'd like very much to see them wind up like the snake who got his tail in his mouth and swallowed himself holds bolus. I'd send a couple of wreaths

 

Sorry, but many accounts taken of the quote on quote NEGROES fights were lies. Bold faced lies too. In other words "not believable by any standards"!

 

Billy,

My data is correct. There were plenty of African-American vs African American big fights in the USA, UK, and France. In this case, Johnson backed out a signed contract.

Did you know Jack Johnson actually gave the first African American a shot a the title? It's true, he fought a guy named Jim Battling Johnson. He was a journeyman. The fight was ruled a draw in France, though the New York times says Jack was near defeat at the end, as he suffered a broken radius bone. The French wanted to strip Johnson by the way for not fighting Langford.

Jack Johnson had trouble everywhere he went and really ticked off his promoter in Australia. He also had problems outside the ring, beating his wife to an inch of her life, and attacking a sickly 120-pound man claiming self-defense. All true. Read Unforgivable Blackness for details, or do searches on his fights. In general, the news boxing reports fairly reflected the filmed fights. Hardly lies.

 

They are lies (accounts of fights) because I've done the research that you're googling. They said Harry Wills ducked Tunney. Lies. Those guys back then told a lot of fabricated newspaper accounts of fights. Sorry Julio...

 

Actually, Tunney offered Wills a fight, Wills said no thanks. Harry was older when the offer was made. If you have proof the contrary post it here.

Dempsey clearly ducked Wills.

Tunney also offered Harry Greb a 6th fight, Greb refused because Tunney had gotten bigger and better and beat on him in the 5ht fight In fact Tunney offered Dempsey a 3rd fight, Dempsey refused.

PS: I have not used google for anything in this thread.

PPS: Wilder is belt milking has not not defended against anyone in the top 12 as champion. What's the deal there?

 

A few names that come to mind:

Jack Johnson
Mike Spinks
Roy Jones
Wilder
Floyd Patterson

 

Willis refused the fight? And Wilder never fought a top 12 guy? All lies lmfao... Lies I tell you! Lol

 

Any more black fighters ffs lol...

 

WRONG. I said Wilder has not defended against anyone currently ranked in the 12. Not by Box Rec or FightNews rankings, and certainly no one in Ring magazine's top ten. This is a fact. His 4 title defenses have been jokes, and by the looks of it Wilder doesn't want to fight Povetkin, who is ranked in the top ten.

Billy, you need some help.

 

Now you see...this is the type of ******ed thinking that is ****ing up message boards like this. It really is. And he's posting lies too. And how in the world out of all of the fighters in boxing did you just come up with Wilder's name? Now he doesn't want to fight Povetkin. This is ****en pathetic lol. Truly pathetic. You think that I don't know that you're lying or you just don't care? Utterly hilarious!

 

Mendoza is well-known over on the Classic forum for his methods. I think most people don't even read his posts there any more. You can prove the guy wrong 1,000 times over on a single point and it will never register with him. Some people say he's a racist but I suspect he's just a computer virus.