Biggest myth in Boxing

That Mike Tyson was past his prime after Michael Spinks.:good

 

3 words: Dempseys loaded gloves

 

The biggest and often repeated myth on these forums at least is that Lewis had a glass or shaky chin. Followed by the line "because he got ko`d by 2 journeymen". I just dont know how many "journeymen" have records like those guys do. In Mccalls case he is still a top 5 world ranked contender 13 years after winning the title. Rahman held the title again 5 years after his Lewis fight.
A "Journeyman" is someone with 15, 20 losses on his record, a juluis francis, a ross purrity, a sedrick fields, all of Tua`s recent opponents also.

 

1. The Dempsey's gloves were loaded theory

2. Sonny Liston was murdered or died of an overdose. The autopsy reported he died of cardiac failure brought on by occlusion of the small vessels of the heart--natural causes. I think it a preposterous conspiracy theory that the forensic pathologists and the various technicians who did the lab tests would lie about it or try to cover up anything. If Liston had died of a heroin overdose, they would have said so.

3. Max Baer killed Ernie Schaaf. Schaaf died because he entered the ring before recovering from a severe bout with influenza. There is no proof his earlier knockout by Baer had anything to do with it.

 

I was under the impression Liston also had a syringe in his arm when the found him. What explains that?

 

There is no doubt heroin was found on the premises, but he simply didn't have enough in him to account for death, according to the pathologists. Why would they lie? Who would care that much to arrange a coverup?

Can you give a source on the syringe in the arm. This is the first time I have heard of it. I wonder if it could have stayed there after a weak of bloating and decomposition.

I would say that whatever is said of syringes or heroin, the autopsy report is by far the best evidence.

 

Although I'm a huge Dempsey fan, one of the biggest myths in boxing is that he would have won the Tunney fight if it weren't for the long count.

 

Actually I can't remember where I heard it. I just watched the A&E Biography on Liston's life. Denis Caputo the detective from Liston's death said they couldn't find any evidence he died of anything other than natural causes. Guess I was wrong

 

I dont belive Walker and Greb have that fight at a steakeasy as Walker spend some time in a hospital after there fight or so I heard.

 

Excuse my tardiness...

Liston did not throw the first fight with Clay.

He didn't train. Clay was considered a loud-mouth, chinny, light hitting overgrown child and Liston assumed that the moment he hit him, Clay would fold like a chair. The incident in the casino probably justified Liston's 2 week casual training camp. Remember that? That was when a bellowing Clay approached Liston at the crap table and Liston slapped him with an open hand. Clay was shocked and left like a child who got a whipping because he wanted to play.

Liston didn't train! That is the most sensible explanation and covers everything. It explains why he, if he did, have the solution rubbed on his gloves between rounds -desperation. It explains why he tried to smash Clay while Clay was blinded. The desperation of a depleting gas tank.

It also explains the beating he took -if you are going to throw a fight, you don't get all banged up like that because there is no reason too unless you want an academy award for acting --and Liston proved in Maine that he was the worst actor ever.

 

Biggest myths originate with Angelo Dundee.

"Bullies (Liston) are afraid of lunatics (Clay)." He even decorated it with crap about prison culture. It is a falsehood. Liston laughed at Clay and perceived him as no threat. Therefore he trained like Max Baer.

 

Ali was fighting in the same heat as well. Also, according to most accounts Ali did little training and wasn't well prepared for the fight. Frazier was his weakness though and that Ali managed to overcome him adds greatly to his legacy.

 

Here's a list of random boxing myths/misconceptions that are kind of annoying.

Marvin Hagler was a brawler.

Fernando Vargas lost to Felix Trinidad simply because he chose to brawl instead of box.

Oscar De La Hoya's corner told him to run against Trinidad.

James Toney-Michael Nunn was a "lucky punch". Toney was getting to Nunn had won the previous couple of rounds. Actually, basically any time "lucky punch" is used.

When people act like Foreman was dominating Ali before he got tired. People saying that De La Hoya "clearly sealed" the victory over Quartey in the 12th makes me want to puke. Also, when people say "all you had to do was stand up to Tyson and he'd crumble". Geez, you think these pro fighters, world class contenders, would be a little tougher than to be spelled by the magic wand of fear that Tyson waved.

"You have to take it from the champion and win impressively". No, you have to win more rounds. There's like a gazillion belts out there. "Champion" means less nowadays.

 

You don´t need to write such a long novel, say you´re black and like only black fighters (honest would be you hate white fighters)...

 

Waiting for that one J!