Biggest slaughter that an inferior heavyweight would inflict on an ATG?

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  1. BCS8

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    I'm talking on resume. In ability I still believe he could have been right up there with the best if he'd had a few breaks promotion wise or had been more consistent in his training.
     
  2. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Lol! This is almost as funny as you picking a healthy Max Baer over Louis. Serious question; Do you favor Louis over anyone at all?
     
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  3. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Two Ton Tony, bewilders, befuddles , and runs riot over the static, robotic , Bruno, for a 3rd round stoppage, ole Frank shows his normal bravery, gets up a few times, before ref steps in, then asks Lawless " what just happened " for real.... keep safe.
     
  4. Mike Cannon

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    The men in white coats are on the way, please go quietly...... keep safe.
     
  5. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Thanks for that extremely thorough response. Very much appreciated.

    One quick comment re: the Holmes jab. It was actually quite hard compared to somebody like Ali's. Holmes knocked at least one opponent down with his jab.
     
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  6. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    I read that Ali used to scarcely close his hand in the glove when he threw his jab he just wanted to irritate guys most of the time. I wonder if he had hand troubles later in life from it?.... That is if it is indeed true.
     
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  7. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    At least during part of his later career, he supposedly worked on the trick of twisting the punch on impact to maximize cuts. Hired Jhoon Rhee from the martial arts scene to help him with it.

    Then again, it could've just been the usual Ali mind games and sales patter. Rhee claimed it was genuine, but 70s martial artists aren't much more reliable witnesses than boxers.
     
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  8. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    Classical martial arts suffer from a lot of voodoo lol. Ali was at the very least invocative despite his fundamental short comings so I buy it.
     
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  9. Tonto62

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    If you consider him an all time great,I think there is a possibility that Wlad could be badly ko'd by Poland based
    Izuguabe Ugonoh,6 feet 5 inches and around 235lbs, crude as ****, but a tremendous banger if he detonates on Wlad's fragile chin you could have a Dempsey v Willard scenario .Highly unlikely given that Dominic Breazeale beat him,but he had to pick himself up off the canvas to do so and he was badly shaken a couple of times. Efe Ajagba could duplicate the feat as well imo.
     
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  10. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    Well not quite an insult but I think people would be shocked at what Charles and Walcott could do to Sonny Liston….
     
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  11. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    Curtis Shepard is one who could potentially just nuke someone like Marciano or Frazier. If they fought ten times he’d probably blast them out at least once if he was on, just because they’re walking into some real mouth guard biting shots the Hatchet man could chop potentially anyone who come to rumble really but a betting man would never put anything but change on it happening to an ATG.
     
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  12. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I heard Ali and especially Holmes didn’t close their gloves fully cos they wanted to thumb their opponents in the eye. Yeah, I could believe that .Just because they were great fighters didn’t mean that they didn’t know how to fight dirty when they wanted to.
     
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  13. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    Ali was as dirty as they came but the old rule is “get away with as much as you can” he bent rules often and leaned on being very popular to save him but no doubt you cannot help but respect his will to win Muhammad was one of the toughest boxers ever if you ask me.
     
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  14. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Kid McCoy is said to have done similar.

    But there's plenty of boxers whose words cannot be trusted, and McCoy is among them.
     
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  15. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" banned Full Member

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    all the ones that come to mind are either a) great fighters that got caught at times in their career or had chin issues or b) great fighters that would be at a tremendous size disadvantage.

    i guess if i'm looking to mimic stylistic matchups with an inferior fighter standing in, i could imagine Bert Cooper knocking out some of Frazier's victims. but how many ppl did frazier "slaughter" that were ATGs? Fraziers best annihilations were probably Quarry, Ellis and Chuvalo with honorable mention for Foster, who was an ATG but not at heavy. All great fighters but not ATGs.

    Maybe I could see Oliver McCall stopping Wlad Klitscko or something, but again it's just a hw who had a few instances of chin or stamina issues. really, most ATG heavies didn't get "slaughtered" by inferiors except by one punch KO's that were often avenged.
     
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