Bika "Bute hurt my body bad, he belong there with Calzague"

It looks like it. And by the way you can add Butes trainer and Mundine to the list.

 

In other words, pretty much everyone that knows what they are talking about.

That doesn't mean to say that a lot of people will not think Calzxaghe is better out of patriotism, "he beat my favorite fighter" or "I have seen Calzaghe more times" or "Wow, did he beat Lacy". Calzaghe as we know still have a lot of people (that haven't actually fought either of them) beleive he is the better one.

 

I have to agree with deram, surprisingly, lol.

It does seem a bit funny that the guys who have been in the ring with Kessler all seem to praise him..

I hear he's a nice guy, Kessler, but not that nice, surely.

If Bika says Kessler is the better man, it doesn't actually mean that he will beat JC, does it?
All it means is for Bika, Kessler's style is worse of the three guys in question (MK, LB and JC).

What the outcome will be when MK and JC go at it (if) is another matter entirely.
I agree with the post that said that Bika's style was better suited for JC, in that he holds and fights dirty.Bute and Kessler, I agree, tend to rely too much on getting in the rhythm with their thing, whice, when they are allowed, works wonderfully for both of them.
We have seen Bute being disturbed, but not Kessler - yet.
Does that mean Kessler is better than JC and will beat Bute also? Not necessarily, no. It might, but we don't know how Kessler will react to being Calzaghed like a school of hering in pirahna filled waters (just made that one up, I like it, hehe - I'm sure ya'll get the picture).
However, most of us (yours truely included) tend to hold it as a given fact that Kessler actually will get swarmed. We don't really know if JC is capeable of getting to Kessler, do we?

So:
Is JC able to swarm Kessler?
Is Kessler able to avoid getting swarmed? and if not -
How will Kessler react to getting the Manfredo treatment?

Also,
Is JC able to fend off Kessler's jab? - and if not -
How will Joe react to getting his face bashed in, by those leathal combos?
Will he:
Lose his head and start to take chances? or,
compose himself and change his tactics?

We don't really know, do we?

I for one would just love to find out

As for Bute...
I have always been a great fan of Bute's, but to call the man a genuine contender on the basis of beating Bika is unreasonable.
He has a ways to go yet, but to call himsolf a contender he will have to learn that with a defence like his, Kessler, mundine, JC and even Beyer will destroy him.
He is learning a lot tho. Everytime he has to go the distance, he staps a little further away from his image as a KO artist. Maybe that will prompt him to work on other things, such as defence.

I would love to see him against a guy like Breamer..
Wihout defence, Bute will get murdered by Jürgen, I think.
Thus, a fight like that would be a good chin indicator for Lucian.

 

I think most people will agree with that. Just take out the bit about Beyer. It may or may not be right, but someone is bound to make a big deal out of somethign that is really immaterial to your argument. So I would take it out and improve chances that the discussion stays on track.

 

Bika is not in a position to claim anything at all. Calzaghe destroyed Bika and every opponent he had in front of him til today. So all calzaghe haters, stop hating and accept the reality. Nobody can beat calzaghe!!! By the way, if calzaghe fought bums like most of you claim, find a boxer who has his record ahah you can't cause even bums can claim a victory. Calzaghe is a Terminator vs a human being and he has the speed of the advanced shape changing cyborg.
:bbb

 

Bute was putting bodyshots in the bank from the very beginning and I can't believe Atlas was totally blind to that. It was obvious that they were gonna have a huge effect on Bika towards the end and they did.

Bute has a very nice left uppercut to the body.

Like I mentioned before the fight I think his main disadvantage is a slight lack of power, but he is consistant and very fast both with his hands and on his feet so he makes up for it.

 

How come Froch prefers to fight Calzaghe. because he says he has a better chance of winning.

Could you Calzaghe boys come up with a SMW that would rather face Kessler than Calzaghe.

For now it seems Bute, Bika, Froch, Andrade and some other guys all says they would rather face Calzaghe. Ah - They are part of a conspiracy to talk joe down. Lying ****s without honour or honesty.

Do you Calzaghe guys think they are all lying or getting a fat check from palle ? Do you guys always inflict such libel against people who answer an honest question.

Do you rate their understanding of their opponents and their own ablility, so low ?

Which SMW past or present do you know of who has said in public that he would rather face Kessler than Calzaghe.

Why is CAlzaghe talking about Kessler as The undisputed #2. " We are head and shoulders above the rest." Is that not an indication that an unanimous opinion among all champs and contenders in SMW including the Bookies says Kessler is the BEST.

The guy is in his own legue to most SMW's, even himself.

 

when Calzaghe has been beaten, I have a feeling that Kessler will have big problems getting good matchups.

 

Well...
While I agree that Kessler is the most bestest and mostest handsomest fighter in the world, I can't help but arguing that the reason no fighter at SMW says he would rather fight Kessler than JC, might also have something to do with thte recognition one gains from beating JC as opposed to beating Kessler.

For any fighter from 160-175, both Kessler and JC are enormously risky fights.
Thus, anyone in their right mind would go for JC, who might beat them, but who will also yield the greastest reward for them, should they manage to beat the Dragon.

That's not the same as Kessler being recognized in the boxer community, if it's at all possible to speak of one such, as a better fighter than JC.
He might be, but the case might also be as described above.

ps: I have yet to hear a fighter who says he wouldn't fight Kessler.
Well.. chanet, but I mean.. a fighter.

I don't think guys like Taylor, bhop, inkin, Bute, (winky), would mind fighting Mikkel, if the VW were a little more known.

As it stands, JC would also have rather fought Taylor or Bhop than Kessler. Is he scared? Of course he isn't! He just wants the biggest check for the least risk, combined with the most recognition.

Beating Kessler will do way less for JC than beating JC would do for VW's resumé.

...and I am Danish, and vice president of the Kessler Nuthugger Clan (Rt hon. Deram is the pres, of course)

Bare så jeg ikke skal høre en masse lort fra alle I nubes som kommer og går hver gang nogen har vundet en kamp i en vægtklasse der ligger i nærheden a Kesslers, for det gider jeg ikke høre på:.-)

I'm not translating the Danish part, but don't worry, it wasn't about the fight or the fighters

 

That is a good question...not hard to answer...Froch was supposed to have called out for him, but couldn't he swallow the Warren demands:-(...or...could Joe have wanted a higher profile fight to open doors for him in the States:yep ?

 

new wind. Thats Bull****. The only impressive fight I have seen recently with Cafaggi is the Lacy one. And Lacy is a primitive puncher. Not a boxer. The Bika and Manfredo fights were lowquality. Yeah Calzague can't motivate himself. Fights at his opponents level and all sort of shittey excuses for not impressing anyone with alleged god like boxingqualities. The Bika fight showed how lousy he can be at times. And all of you seem to ignore all these signs of weakness in him, using the man's pathetic explanations. Lack of motivation. **** that, it lack of competency and weak hands.
Compared to a very serious, extremely focused and motivated Kessler, who has lost but a few rounds in his whole of his carreer, I dont think he has a chinamans chance, to be honest. Kessler has all the advantages including age. When you hype calzaghe, what superopponents are you refferring to
?

 

Sounds like Calzaghe will be lucky to get out alive against Kessler when they fight,if Calzaghe manages to get to the last bell or amazingly, actually wins the fight then he will have beaten an absolute monster and will deserve the title of p4p number 1

 

I find it hard to believe that so many of you quickly dismiss a professional boxer's opinion, especially considering he's been in the ring with the three fighters being discussed.

I mean, I know we learn so much more just by watching right?

atsch

 

If Bika is such an expert on Joe Calzaghe maybe he should have tried to win more rounds against him...atsch

 

Bika certainly did not underachieve against Joe, did he?