Billy Conn at 100

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    https://www.boxingoverbroadway.com/billy-conn-100-done-ali/

    Author explains why he thinks that Conn would have done well vs Ali.

    In Billy Conn Ali would be facing a man that not only could match him in hand and foot speed, I would argue Conn was faster in both departments, but also a man who would not be in the least intimidated by him. Conn was also a much better scientific fighter than Ali as Ali depended more on his speed and reflexes when young and his amazing toughness when older. Conn had a full palette of boxing moves he could tap into.
     
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  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Cool. Now I know that I can actually skip reading it.

    No disrespect to you or to Conn at all. I love reading stuff on old timers but is there some sort of cottage industry in unrealistic portrayals of premodern pugs who could defy all odds that the modern era has affirmed?
     
  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    He was competitive against Louis
     
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  4. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

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    I could see it. Great read.
     
  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Bill Conn was a bad ass extraordinaire. And I rank Louis at #2 in terms of greatness as a heavyweight. But between Louis not having a great night and the evolution or the division, this article is such fantastical imaginings that it can hardly be taken seriously.

    Billy would be competitive with Ali for about 3 or 4 rounds... Tops.
     
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  6. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I don't know, I can realistically see it happening. Seems realistic to me.
     
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  7. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I think there's a good case he'd even give Ali a hard fight, I don't give him much chance at all of actually winning though. He might be faster than Ali, but Ali would still catch him easier than Louis, and I think that'd compensate for not being as good a finisher.
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't know so much.

    Ali looked decidedly uncomfortable, when somebody played him at his own game, and made him work on the front foot!
     
  9. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Conn was an excellent fighter and a tough nut .If Henry Cooper ,Doug Jones could give Ali a hard night I'm sure Billy could .He's not beating Ali for sure but he'd give him an uncomfortable night s work .
    I'll say Ali stops him around the 12 th whilst the scorecards are extremely close .
     
  10. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Just for the record, Doug Jones caused a green Ali some 'discomfort.'

    Cooper did not. He scored a flash KD and was promptly stopped the following round.

    Some embarrassment yes, but not a threat in the least.
     
  11. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    But you get my general meaning ?
    These guys whilst not bums were not great fighter s as suchlike. But Conn was an excellent fighter IMO and could easily give Ali trouble .But by no means do I see him winning in a Holmes v Spinks type upset !
     
  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I can agree with this certainly.
     
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  13. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ali looked terrible trying to force a fight, very good point. Lost at sea at times, didn't know what to throw !
     
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  14. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Cooper was jabbing well with Ali imo, it surprised people !
     
  15. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes, I get your general meaning.

    Conn was pretty good and could have made a more competitive fight with Ali than some who actually fought him did.

    I was just reacting to the Cooper bit. I often see posts on here along the lines of.....if Henry Cooper could almost beat Ali, then X would certainly have beaten him.
     
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