Billy Conn vs Bernard Hopkins - 175 lbs

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  1. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who wins and why?

    Watched a documentary last night about Conn taking on Louis, I was impressed and started to learn more about him.
     
  2. kmac

    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    i'll take conn. bernard wasn't at 175 until he was past 40. conn would outwork bhop and win a decision here imo.
     
  3. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The Billy Conn of the 1941 Louis fight was a great Lightheavyweight ,too fast,for any version of Bernard Hopkins. During the 1940s a 40sh Bernard Hopkins would have been long retired as that era had Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Jimmy Bivins, Lloyd Marshall, Harold Johnson, Joey Maxim,all in their primes. The reason a Bernard Hopkins in his 40s,could still contend, is because of the dearth of great LHs today...
     
  4. kmac

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    couldn't agree more burt. once jones was knocked off his perch, there were no great fighters left in the division. tarver, johnson, dawson, calzaghe, and pascal are all very average when you put them up vs the true greats of the division.
     
  5. BUDW

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  6. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I was actually going to use Calzaghe rather than Hopkins as Joe was faster.
    Obviously 168 was his natrual weight but looking at Conns record (bear in mind I've already admitted that I'm not totally up to speed with him) 15KO's suggest he didn't have great power, and may of found Calzaghe's activity difficult in spells.
     
  7. kmac

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    billy conn would have whipped calzaghe's ass. conn was beating joe louis for 12 rds, i think he could handle calzaghe. joe only fought two great fighters in his joke of a career and they had a combined age of 83 when he fought them. i think joe was a good fighter but conn was on a far different level.
     
  8. RockyJim

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  9. steve w

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    Agree entirely with Burt, Conn in a diferent strata to Hopkins, Conn would march through todays offering easilyand be a superstar.
     
  10. burt bienstock

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    Don't me misled. Before Billy Conn almost beat the greatest combination puncher who ever lived Joe Louis, who had 30 pounds weight advantage
    over brave Billy, Conn then in his prime beat the rugged tough Gus Lesnevich, Melio Bettina a tough rugged southpaw twice, kod HW Gus Dorazio, ko'd HW Gunnar Barlund [ who kod the giant Buddy Baer], stopped Heavyweight Bob Pastor, and whipped a prime left-hooker Lee Savold. This 170 pound Billy Conn, might have been as good as any LH in history...
    Lighting fast, tough as nails,with an iron chin to boot, do not put a Joe Calzage in the same sentence as Billy Conn... As he once admitted, Billy Conn was no Harry Greb, but then again, who was ?
     
  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Conn and it's not even close.
     
  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    EXACTLY BIg Fish Little Pond.
    Conn boxes his ears off.
     
  13. thistle1

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  14. thistle1

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    people also forget the volume and amount of fights these guys had...

    I've said it before THEY are Proven for ALLTIME, where as todays fighters; Fair question here, "would they have still been among the top fighters against not only the greater opposition, but The AMOUNT of fights too???"

    some have already proved they wouldn't have, couldn't have maintained it - RJJ, LL and I believe Bhop would have pissed of a Bummy Davis type fighter once tooo often with his spoiling that they would have just marched in and let him know what a fight is all about.

    Hopkins wouldn't have sustained the volume and amount of fights against this tough era neither!
     
  15. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dude! I don't know how to respond to your laughable assertion that
    Al Bummy Davis was a nothing, fought "bums" ,and padded his record.:patsch
    Maybe you should take up knitting. I watched as a youngster Al Bummy Davis, an authentic tough guy, whose brother was mobbed up,and you wouldn't make such a silly post in front of him or his associates. For the record Dude, Davis kod such" bums " as Tony Canzoneri, Bob Montgomery, Tippy Larkin, tangled with a Henry Armstrong, Beau Jack, young ko artist
    Rocky Graziano, and with a PRIME toughie Fritzie Zivic. Bums were they ?
    Davis had the best left-hook I have ever seen. When it landed, Sayonara, and goodnight...A tough guy in a tough, tough era...Cheers...