Billy Conn vs Joe Louis - The Best Losing Performance?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by PetethePrince, Feb 16, 2010.


  1. itrymariti

    itrymariti CaƱas! Full Member

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    Yeah, as much as I love Arguello, I've always felt that that fight was pretty one-sided (4-5 rounds in favour of Pryor as you say). I think he was getting a bit of home cooking to have been given that many rounds.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, I think it has the dubious honour of being #1 in that category.
     
  3. RockysSplitNose

    RockysSplitNose Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Certainly one of the best losing challengers - aswell as Tommy Farr against Louis too - I personally don;t think Louis' title was anything near as bad as the 'bum-of-the-month' brigade like to make out - Walcott's first fight against Louis was another of the best ever losing challengers aswell - in my book he actually won that one and then Louis became the first to regain the title in their rematch haha
     
  4. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    It was a close fight depending on your scoring criterea, I score for clean effective punching and ring generalship, 2 things Arguello did well. Larry Merchant had it similar, so did the judges in fact (not that that means much as one of them at least was incompedant)

    I think it is very unfair to dismiss other peoples opinions on this fight as it was a close bout, and beleive me I have watched it heaps and heaps of times and always had a similar scorecard.
     
  5. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Conn/Louis 1941...Here's my take on thie remarkable fight...for over seven years joe Louis was considered unbeatable...A lean and muscular puncher with the greatest punching leverage,ever seen on a heavyweight champion.Powerful and destructive combination puncher who flattened such giant as Abe Simon, Buddy Baer, Max Baer,etc. I remember as a young boy,how Louis was held in AWE...His opponent lightheavyweight Billy Conn,who beat all his opponents as Melio Bettina,Gus Lesnevich, Bob Pastor,Gunnar Barlund, Lee Savold,etc... Conn was a great fighter,that fateful night June 18,1941,bur at only 169 lbs,Billy had to avoid the Brown Bombers lethal fists...Conn did just that for most of 12 rounds,boxing and outpunching Louis for a good part of the fight,until a frantic Louis caught Billy with thosequick and powerful shots that ko,d Conn in the 13th round...I strongly doubt that any other 169 pound fighter in all boxing history,would have put up the great fight against the great Joe Louis, that the great light heavyweight Billy Conn, that great night in 1941...One for the ages I say...
     
  6. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    ...Maybe its unfair, I just don't understand where your coming from. Help me out. Elaborate. Pryor lands 15-20 punches in a round, Alexis lands one big right hand and that's supposed to give him the round?
     
  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Given the weight diference, and Louis's status relative to opther fighters his weight, you could make a case for it being the best p4p performance won lost or drawn.
     
  8. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    i had it close but clear for pryor myself. the momentum had shift slightly to arguello but the rounds were still in pryor's favour
     
  9. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Conn was up, I think there's little doubt in that. It was no blow-out, but Conn was out-boxing Louis. Who expected this 175 LHW to come up and do what he did against arguably one of the greatest fighters ever? Not many... I think it definitely is one of the best losing performances of all time considering the circumstance.
     
  10. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    LaPorte vs Sanchez & Chavez. He was as tough as they come.
    How about recently in Taylor-Froch?
     
  11. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Frazier-Ali 3
    Cotto-Margarito
     
  12. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That was a classic, I met Billy in Atlantic City, I think it was after the Holmes/Scott Frank fight. Still looked like a fit and tough guy. Louis was the greatest and Billy gave it a go. Billy was teasing Joe about a rematch and said he would win it next time, Joe said you had it for 13 rds and couldn't keep it......Brown Bomber was the man in everyway
     
  13. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Some modern fans,don't understand the subtle but significance meaning of the Louis/Conn fight...It wasn't that Billy Conn gave all the great destructive punching Joe Louis, could handle,for13 rounds alone...It was Billy Conn was 169 pounds that night.that was so special...A smallish lightheavy,against arguably the greatest puncher that the heavyweights ever produced...That made Conn a legend.....
     
  14. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When it comes to Alexis Arguello, I'd say that Ruben Olivares put up a great losing effort against him. Olivares seemed like he had the fight in control until the 13th round when Alexis caught him.
     
  15. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Nice one, GreatA.

    How about Pintor vs Gomez? Nelson vs Sanchez?