Billy Conn vs John Conteh

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  1. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Agreed but on the flip side you do have those bright burning phenoms every now and again. Winning the European title at, 21 or so, in your first fight at light heavy, and going on to put on a series of World class performances and also showing the ability to put on brilliant displays way past his physical best, puts Conteh at the top of the class in terms of head to head. Clearly has the attributes to give the very best at the very least a demanding bout physically and strategically.

    I don't doubt for a second that Yarosz is the greater fighter, and as good. But I think Conteh makes up for his lack of fights to make it about level due to the high level of skill we've seen him display, against top class opposition.
     
  2. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Conteh, too, has been 'red-hot' on this forum lately. Very, very good fighter, but not a great one.
     
  3. McGrain

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    Experience was absolutely key in those contests. Burley was bigger, stronger, longer, faster, hit harder and was at a disadvantage in styles. Zivic had no business even being in close fights with him, never mind beating him once. If it wasn't for his ability to learn, absorb, he gets thrashed 3-0.

    Very, very hard to say.
     
  4. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hell I'll give you Burley (even if I think he won the first fight). What about Whitaker? Or more to the point what about Yarosz? Experience is valuable but it in no way determines who is more skilled.
     
  5. McGrain

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    It's a huge part of what makes a fighter skilled.
     
  6. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We're circling the issue, I think. Do you consider Yarosz more skilled than Conteh because he had 100 more fights?
     
  7. McGrain

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    No.
     
  8. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I guess my follow up is: do you consider Yarosz a harder match for Conn.than Conteh?
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Hell yes I do.
     
  10. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Do you think Yarosz would beat Conteh?
     
  11. McGrain

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    At his best he'd be giving away 10-12lbs to Conteh which is a lot. Once he reached 170lbs, he was passed it. He was a super-middle, really. Conteh could beat Yarosz, but Yarosz was a better fighter than Conteh.

    So i'd say 162lb Yarosz was a tougher prospect for 162lb Conn than 175lb Conteh would be for 175lb Conn.



    Even so, the guy that beat up pre-prime Lloyd Marshall would give Conteh some problems for certain, and might shade him depending.
     
  12. LittleRed

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    This post confuses me a little. Did you say Yarosz was a better fighter than Conn?
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    No, I wrote "Conn" instead of "Conteh", but you could find people who were in attendance for that series that would say Yarosz was better than Conn.
     
  14. LittleRed

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    I could see it either way. And I too think Yarosz is better than Conteh by a fair margin.
     
  15. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    It's a bit silly to put a waste of talent we never really seen the best of like Conteh in hypothetical matchups with consensus greats imo.

    Fair enough, speculated fights with fighters of his own era that were actually on the table that you can get direct comparisons in timeline with like Galindez(who i consider a great like Conn and who McGrain might have well have roughly sodomised his dead body by putting Morales and MAB above him-or saad-in his list;)) but other than stuff like that i struggle to see where the necessary benefit of the doubt is to make the debate interesting.Conteh just wasn't around long enough and didn't develop.

    then again i suppose it's no worse than seeing another Conteh vs hopkins thread for the 100th time.Benfit of the doubt swings the other way there.