Billy Conn vs Roy Jones Jr

I like Jones on points. I think his unorthodox greatness gives him the edge over Conn's orthodox greatness in this one. Beautiful boxer Conn.

 

Conn TKO 14.

By 1939 standards, Jones was already a Light Heavyweight when he made his Pro debut (at Jr Middleweight).

Jones would struggle with Conn's lateral movement and ability to crowd. We know Jones couldn't handle pressure, Conn would eat a lot of leather, but it wouldn't matter as much as the leather he'd land to Jones' torso and chin.

Remember they don't make PEDs for the chin or heart.

 

Taking a needle in the ass is greatness, now?

When did he ever step up to face anyone as good as Conn?

Look at the duds who sparked him. They weren't fit to carry Conn's jock.

 

Too bad Billy wasn't a "Boxer" - But I wouldn't be surprised if a Pastrano completely defuddled Roy.

Watch their feet, not their hands. Conn would constantly be moving out of position. As for punching that repeated left hook to the chin AND the body would break Jones.

 

I agree. While we certainly missed the best of Conn, I am not sure we would have ever really seen him reach his prime. As great as he was against Louis, I doubt he would have lasted another 10 years.

He weighed below 170 for that fight. He was about the same size Monzon was for the Griffith and Valez fights.

If they were contemporaries: Conn in Roy's era would have been fighting at Middleweight while Roy was fighting at Light Heavyweight; Roy in Conn's era would have been an unknown.

 

Light Heavyweight Jones would not have been a Light Heavyweight in the 30's.

Also, it's ridiculous to think the dude who couldn't KO Hopkins would KO the dude who went deep with Louis.

 

Was not as gifted!?!? At 23 he gave the best Louis his stiffest fight. Without steroids.

Jones' best fight was what, Vinny PAziena? LAMO. How did that fight even get made.

Thanks for the laugh, at least.

 

I like this post.... but Vinny Pazienza!? The dude was a former Lightweight titleholder. He should have stopped at Jr. Mw. Clearly he was fat and undersized against Jones. The jab was effective, but often missed mark. Conn is taller than Jones, and he mainaints the perfect distance to trouble Jones.

I feel like we are comparing a game bred dog here to a junkyard cur. Always, always, always put your money on the Pit, not matter how nasty the mutt looks. I'm glad dog-fighting is a dead sport, but the wisdom learned from it is priceless.

 

You can look fantastic vs a **** opponent. It's a shame you had to learn this in this medium. Pazienza was already at 154 before he snapped his neck. He only went higher after that. That's a pretty good excuse for going above his best weight IMO.

Furthermore, I don't agree with that post in the slightest anymore. Jones should be a clear favourite over Conn.

 

How!?!? He wouldn't be able to handle Conn's footwork. He needed dudes to come at him and didn't like pressure. He didn't hit as hard as Louis, and he wasn't going to make Conn miss like a Corbett.

Roy winds up on the ropes and gets raped.


But this fight is stupid to be discussing. They didn't have PEDs in the 30's. The only way Roy was gonna share a ring the same night as Conn was by washing the canvas.

 

Does anyone have footage of Jones being able to handle a hook like Conns?

 

Given he was visibly quicker than Conn, I find it hard to believe he'd have massive amounts of trouble with Conn's speed specifically. Jones didn't need to hit as hard as Louis; Louis wasn't the only man who beat Billy Conn.

Do you actually understand what you're writing? He both needed figuter to come to him, but didn't like when they did? Despite being a world level fighter for about ten years, and the pound-for-pound number one for over half of that time? You make him sound like a total bum. Do you remember what he did to Reggie Johnson? Or James Toney? Two fighters who didn't come to him?

You're not gonna convince many people Conn's method of victory would be to give up his height and reach and pressure Jones. Even if he stayed tall as he pressured, it's extremely unlikely he'd have even half of the success he would by staying at range. Walking into Jones' power shots is something everyone who can avoid, does.

Jones' leads would be horrible for Conn, whi would be stuck in the same boat as everyone else. The slower man. With Conn, it's even worse, because this would be the first time he's the slower man and he certainly wouldn't be beating Jones based off of his speed.

And you've got to a ****** to think Jones' success was entirely down to PEDs. You think PEDs gave Jones the skills he had? What about everyone else in the era who was on PEDs? Why weren't they like Jones? Jones would be an all-time great in any era and only an invalid would think otherwise.

 

Roy Jones Jr. IMO in his prime, he was close to unbeatable. He just had too much speed.

 

Please lord let it be permanent.

 

BWahahahaha! So you are actually comparing Toney - who suffered a terrible weight cut, to prime Conn!? They fight nothing alike! Not even close! I couldn't think of a worse comparison. Do you also think Red and Blue are alike, how about Yellow? Referencing Reggie Johnson shows me you have given up on yourself, but can't bring yourself to admit you were wrong. So fine, let's keep going.

Conn probably was slower than Corbett, and possibly others. That really isn't the issue with Jones, it's finding the right range to make Jones uncomfortable. Jones very often settled upon the ropes. It wasn't a horrible concession since it provided many fighters a false sense of security. But when you are fighting mall cops and postment, you need something to entice them in.

Lesser men than Conn put Jones on the ropes and took away his space. As mentioned earlier, chubby Spazienza did it. Ruiz did it, but the Ref was there to help Roy. Again, a very suspicious fight. The Hopkins fight was pretty boring because neither man really want to risk much. Clearly, the worst thing to do is to let Jones do his thing. Conn won't let that happen. In Conn's era of Boxing, it's a much uglier sport than Jones liked.

Jones' leads are tricky and his ability to match/exceed Conn for speed presents a challenge, but I fail to see how that completely deactivates Conn's assault. He has the better footwork, and his own ability to jab. Little Montell Griffin had the means to frustrate Jones. I don't think he was ever gonna win, but his gameplan was working well enough to cause Jones to go off the rails.

This ain't that hard to figure out. Jones starts strong, but cannot handle 15 rounds of pressure constantly having to reset; eventually he winds up where he always does but in over 15 rounds doesn't have the the legs or wind to get off the ropes. Conn smells blood and does what journeyman Tarver did.

I don't make him sound like a total bum. I make him sound like a (very, very talented) human who fought in an era full of total bums.

Clearly you were never a competitive athlete. This is so ignorant it hurts to read. Most dudes in Jones' era who had any athletic promise went into real sports. Jones was mostly fighting hacks. Jones was unique as he was a promising athlete but had been engaged in Boxing since youth.

Just because PEDs are available doesn't mean people are taking them. Just because people are taking PEDs doesn't mean they are taking the best/correct ones. Just because people are taking PEDS doesn't mean they are using them correctly. And the amount of time and amount used have consequences.

Look athe ageless Cubans: Yoel Romero, Rigo, Mijain Lopez, these dudes may never **** hot. They might not even be taking now. But because they used heavily in their youth they still benefit.

Look at Vitor Belfort when he was on something and when he wasn't. Same with Alistair Overeem.

Now look at Roy Jones and Anderson Silva when they were riding high, and then after they got busted. Their careers immediately suffered.

I understand if you weren't competitive at the collegiate level if this is lost on you. Most people think "steroids" are a magic wand in pill form. Not so.