If a fix did take place and there was a bribe paid and the government either had, or may have had, additional evidence, Jake was in real deep water. If he squealed, the mafia might pay him back. If he went back on his original testimony and denied the bribe story, he was wide open for a perjury prosecution. Their way out was rather clever, I think. Jake must have had a shrewd lawyer. Jake did not deny the bribe story, actually, only saying that the offer came through Joey. Joey did not deny it either. He simply refused to testify by pleading the fifth. Neither fingered the gangsters. The public now believes Jake's amended testimony that he threw the fight in order to get a title shot. Why should Joey bring up the real bribe story at this point unless he just wants to dump on Jake. Also, you are assuming there is nothing more going on here than a fixed fight. Who really knows? These mafia fellows played rough. If some go-between was hit to shut him up, Joey and Jake might be vulnerable as accessories after the fact for withholding vital evidence.
According to Fox he confronted Palermo after the second Ossie Harris fight in 1946 and asked him about the fight because he suspected it was fixed for him to win (as Fox said he suspected in other fights). When confronted by Fox and according to him, Palermo apparently said the following on that occasion; "Absolutely not. I didn't pay him to go down. Pay no attention to these kinds of stories. The fight and the others were all on the level." It's also worth noting that judging by Fox's statements like "Why did he have to do it to me?" and "Why couldn't he have done it with a guy who didn't give a damn?", it sounds like Fox didn't quite believe Palermo and his swearing on his "wife and children" comment.
Had Joey testified before the Senate that there had been no fix, then Jake would be tried for perjury. But if Joey kept silence, he could not be tried for it in any case, because nobody is obliged to testify against close relatives.
Here's exact quote, from Sports Illustrated, July 11, 1960, based on interview the reporter took during summer 1956, but couldn't publish until after LaMotta testified before the Senate. "The first thing funny happened when I fought this Larry Kellum, who I had already beat under his own name. This time he called himself Andy Holland. I didn't like it, but I kept my mouth shut. "Now, I'll tell you, looking backward, the fights I think where they might have laid down for me. First, there was the second Ossie Harris fight. I threw some punches in there, but I wasn't in the best condition. I remember I was behind on points. Blinky was in my corner. In the 10th he said, 'Throw a lot of punches. Throw a lot of punches.' It was then I thought it might be a fix. It's funny, I think I remember, I think I remember Blinky in the other guy's corner, in Harris' corner, before the 10th round started. I threw a lot, but I didn't think I had any power in my punches. I was surprised when he went down. 'Blinky,' I said afterwards, 'did you fix that fight?' 'No,' he said, 'don't pay those guys no mind who tells you things like that.' I believed him then. I mean I was slightly doubtful, if you know what I mean, but I believed him. "Then there was Nate Bolden. Him I knocked out in two. That's another one I feel funny about. Now you knew, I can't be sure. It's just the way I feel. Sometimes you can tell. Bolden, I was a little suspicious of him. He was too elusive, dodging, ducking all the time, to get caught like I caught him. But I can't be sure. Then there was Joe Reddick. He was tough in the gym, but I don't know. I don't think he was as serious as I was. He might have been dissipated. And, of course, that Larry Kellum. He couldn't beat me anyhow anyway. He was just fighting for money. He drank whisky all the time. "Now about those 49 knockouts I was supposed to have had before the La Motta fight. Blinky made up six of them. Asked him why he did it. Blinky, he told me he was doing it for publicity. Said it would look better that way. He told me, 'You do the fighting, I'll do the managing.' That was his line, and I accepted it. Now, here are the fights I don't think I ever had. There was Jimmy Davenport. I don't remember him. Billy Smith , he's in there twice. I don't remember him, either. Who's this Kid Wolf? Johnny Furia, Wesley Hayes, I never heard of those guys. "It was in 1946 when I first asked Blinky to get La Motta for me. I told him, I said, I got to beat some well-named guys. I got to get better recognition.' I didn't admit to myself that I was going too fast. The picture which I showed my daddy of the million-dollar gate was dancing in my mind. "Before I went to camp Blinky tells me he's going to give the referee $1,000. He said he was going to beat La Motta to the punch and get the referee first. I said, 'Blinky, either get yourself a neutral referee or one you don't have to pay.' He said that was the way he was going to do it and that the $1,000 would come out of my share. I'm thinking how maybe he put the $1,000 in his pocket, that's what I'm thinking, because it looked like the referee was giving us equal breaks during the fight. "Now, that La Motta was strong, but he was a little slow. I mean, if I had rassled him I couldn't have beat him. I had to keep him moving. To me it looked as though he was trying to knock me out. I couldn't budge the guy. Throwing fast jabs into his eyes and nose five at a time. Then he started protecting his face, and I started giving him shots to the body hard as I could. Felt the bone in there on one shot. Think I might have broken his rib. I knew it hurt by the expression on his face. It could be he wasn't trying. I don't know. I kept throwing all the time, though. I couldn't afford to get punched. My punching's my defense. I thought he was out to get me. I remember one time, though, that was kind of funny. He kind of caught me off balance, started to throw a punch, then he held back. Oh, there were boos from ringside. Somebody said 'boo,' just like that. I didn't know what La Motta was trying to do." The cops on the corners "Oh, they booed after the fight. On my way to Philly I stopped off at the corner and bought the papers. 'Fix, Fix,' said the headlines. I showed them to Jimmy Reed. Jimmy didn't say anything but 'Yeah, I see that.' He was a little disappointed but not as disappointed as I was. I was really brokenhearted. I asked Blinky. Blinky said no. He swore on his wife and children. He said, 'No, he didn't take no dive.' But I'd keep hearing guys talking about it in boarding houses where I lived and bowling alleys and places where I worked. If you keep hearing something over and over again, it must be right. Got where I used to go up to cops on corners on the street. I didn't tell them my name. I'd say, 'Say, officer, I want to ask you a question. Do you remember the La Motta-Fox fight?' They'd say yeah, they remember it. I'd say, 'Did La Motta take a dive?' The cops'd say, 'Yeah, La Motta took a dive in that fight.' And then I believed it. "I still feel hurt. It affected my whole life. Made me feel despondent, downhearted, disgusted. I had such good intentions. I have a conscience, and it works on my mind. Why did he have to do it to me? Why couldn't he have done it to a guy who didn't give a damn? "I used to brush my teeth twice a day, not only in the morning but in the night, too. Was a time there, I think it was three weeks, I didn't brush my teeth at all. Just didn't feel like doing anything, the way I felt. Didn't start back smoking until I read in the papers my fights were fixed. I mean, what's the use of my going through all that sacrifice when guys take advantage of you? So I started smoking. Might as well get some enjoyment out of life. You know how serious I'd been. First thing in the morning I'd get up, shadow-box. I'd shadow-box last thing at night. I wasn't no jitterbug ever. I was always very serious. "I couldn't pull myself together after the La Motta fight. Thought I'd just wasted my time. For the second Gus [Lesnevich] fight I couldn't train right. Everything I did was halfhearted. I felt lonely and disgusted. I was stopped in the first round and that was it."
Joey couldn't testify to what he didn't know. Jake could have thrown the fight without informing Joey. Joey was asked about the bribe and refused to answer because the answer would incriminate him, Joey, not necessarily Jake. Jake didn't testify there was no bribe. He testified that he did not directly know who offered the bribe, as it came through Joey. By the way, keep posting. I'm learning plenty about LaMotta and Fox, but none of it presents any evidence that the fight wasn't fixed.
Fox was a bad fighter. most of his knockouts were fixes including the blantant lamotta fix. the only time fox was allowed to fight a on level fight was vs lesnevich who was nowhere near at lamottas level, and lesnevich easily knocked fox out twice.
Joey could testify about what he knew - that he was involved in working out a fix, or that he wasn't involved in such a thing. A bribe has a statute of limitation, there could be no prosecution from him admitting to taking a bribe or assisting in such thing in some way. Only more significant crimes don't have statute of limitation, a bribe is not one of them.
Thanks for posting, that, Senya. I was taking my quote from Thomas Myler's 'The Sweet Science Goes Sour', which has a chapter dedicated to the LaMotta/Fox fight, and in it he quotes an issue of The Ring from 1981 as the source of Fox's interview, so considering the similarities in wording, I'll assume that Ring article likely was a reprint from that exact interview you quoted, although Myler also mentions the SI story in his writings (and how Rogin had to wait to publish it) and even offers up some quotes from it. Still, that article you posted does have a clear statement(s) of denial from Palermo (through Fox's wording), which is why I posted that other quote in response to your comment about Palermo not denying that other fights were fixed.
Again you are assuming that there were not more serious crimes involved. How do we really know any of that? You seem to think someone can take the fifth amendment for trivial reasons without being held in contempt of congress. The only constitutional justification for taking the fifth is to avoid self-incrimination. I really think you are arguing around in circles and ignoring that the two men involved, Jake directly in his deposition, and Joey indirectly by taking the fifth, acknowledged the truth of the fix charges.
They sure can be in the United States. Underage children can be forced to testify against a parent if the parent does not live at home. This is some legal advice in writing I once recieved: 1. Talk only to your lawyer 2. Tell your brother, tell your mother, or tell your friend, ANYTHING about your case, and they can end up being hauled into court to testify against you, forced to repeat what you told them.
I was ringside at the old Garden with my dad for the fight. All around us were guys from the Bronx who hocked everything to bet on Jake.