Billy Graham A Near Great?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Billy Graham a terrific welterweight, good enough to concede 6lbs to Joey Giardello and beat him,good enough to beat Carmen Basilio in one fight and draw in their second fight ,[all the press went for Graham]. According to legend he was robbed against Kid Gavilan in their intial bout the press voted 12-3 for Graham.
    Was Graham as near great as you can be without actually being a great? I think so.
     
  2. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Agree
     
  3. JohnThomas1

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    Top fighter. I think it was the third fight that was controversial.

    Not big hitting but an excellent boxer with a great chin and skills.
     
  4. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    I have a soft spot for him. How much differently does history look upon him if he gets the Gavilan and Basilio decision, especially if he retired or was more inspired post Basilio? He also overlooked because of his low knockout style.
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes, you are right 3 rd fight thanks JT!
     
  6. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Anytime mate. I watched a bit of it last night and tbh The Kid seemed mostly in control. Searched the net a bit (and here) and the majority that score it now usually have Gavilan ahead comfortably but the odd credible guy scores it for Graham still.

    Saw one claim Gavilan was a mafia controlled fighter at the time and Graham said no to them and promises of a win prior to this fight. Of course this doesn't mean Gavilan didn't win.

    Have a look at the fight sometime on youtube if you get bored. I will add there's probably no substitute for good sound and actually being there for scoring.
     
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  7. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My score. I did think Graham got robbed on this one.

    Kid Gavilan - Billy Graham III

    Round 1: Even
    Round 2: Gavilan
    Round 3: Graham
    Round 4: Gavilan
    Round 5: Gavilan
    Round 6: Graham
    Round 7: Gavilan
    Round 8: Even
    Round 9: Graham
    Round 10: Graham
    Round 11: Graham
    Round 12: Graham
    Round 13: Even
    Round 14: Graham
    Round 15: Graham

    8-4-3 Graham
     
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  9. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In terms of abilities, yeah absolutely. Who in history would have had an easy time with Graham at his cagey best? Not anyone I can think of.
     
  10. Chuck1052

    Chuck1052 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Irving Cohen managed both Rocky Graziano and Billy Graham. Graziano obviously was more colorful and a far better gate attraction than Graham, but I consider Graham to be better than Graziano as a fighter. Moreover, Graham appears to have faced better opposition overall.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
  11. roughdiamond

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  12. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    He was never knocked off his feet either if I remember correctly
     
  13. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Bump.

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  14. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, I think "near- great" catches the essence of his talents quite nicely. Also terms like "near champion" or "uncrowned champion" or "master boxer."
     
  15. ChrisJS

    ChrisJS Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’d classify him as a great fighter.
     
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