Billy Joe Saunders breaks silence as he informs everyone about his current medical condition

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  1. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    No that was not a lucky punch. That was one of many uppercutt Canelo had landed in that fight. Canelo worked Saunders body the whole fight. When they got close Canelo was hooking or throwing to the body. Saunders was ducking with arms around his midsection in anticipation of a body shot.
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fans accuse fighters of quitting for all kinds of reasons. This is nothing new. It's because boxing is seen as a warrior sport and no one wants to be seen as a quitter. Fighters have made the same arugments as fans do about other fighters who quit. Saunders made the video about Dubois criticizing him for not fighting on, and not only that but Saunders doubled down in the lead-up to the Canelo fight talking about how this is life or death, and how winning meant everything to him, even if he never saw his kids again and bollocks like that. So Saunders tried to make himself to be some super macho warrior that would never quit no matter what, then he proceeds to do exactly that and quit.

    Whether you're a fan or a fighter, you can talk about how much of a warrior you are, you can criticize other fighters who quit and say that you would never quit, but until you feel what Saunders felt in that 8th round, nobody, fighter or fan, can possibly judge a fighter for quitting because you haven't walked in their shoes and felt their pain. But for Saunders, it's hard to have any sympathy for him given his statements he made in the past about other fighters who quit and how he pumped himself up as someone who would never quit. So Saunders is worse than any fan who talked about how a fighter was a quitter because he ended up doing what he said he would never do.

    Lets not forget that when Khan fought Crawford, tons of people accused Khan of quitting after he was hit in the balls by a low blow. Every circumstance is different, and obviously he didn't have his face shattered like Saunders did but Khan was hit low, that's actually a foul. Not only did people call Khan a quitter, when he had absolutely NOTHING to do with the decision to quit, he was even protesting the decision of Virgil to stop it, he wanted to continue. No one even criticized Bud for hitting him low that created that situation. People pretended like it was a clean punch and Khan should of just shook off the low blow. People to this day still argue that it didn't hit him in the balls trying to act like Khan was just a softy. Khan was taking his 5 minutes, following the referee's instructions, Virgil Hunter out of nowhere decided to throw in the towel. And then people accused Khan of quitting, even though Khan was clearly intent on continuing. And Khan never acted like a jackass like Saunders did calling other fighters quitters or saying that he would never quit. Saunders showed absolutely no desire to continue whatsoever. It was a very serious injury, but he, unlike Khan, did in fact quit no doubt about it.

    But now we're supposed to give Saunders a pass for quitting after he talked such a big game about how he was so much better than other fighters who quit and we had to hear all week about Gypsy's are so tough and how he'd never quit? Maybe if Saunders had a better attitude like Khan I'd be more willing to give him a break. When you're a genuinely good guy like Khan who has respect for others, I have more reservations about calling him a quitter, especially when he was hit low and he had no say in the fight being stopped. Saunders arrogant attitude makes it impossible to feel any sympathy for him in this scenario.

    If you want people to feel sorry for Saunders for having his face shattered and act like it was OK for him to quit in that scenario because it was such a bad injury, then maybe you shouldn't have called Khan a quitter when he wanted to continue and Virgil made the decision to stop it.
     
  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol: Exactly
     
  4. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All of this "go out on your shield" crap is just so much bullsh*t perpetuated by largely keyboard warriors.

    Is Saunders a jerk? Absolutely. Nevertheless, his disposition has nothing to do with the injury he suffered or his capacity to "soldier on."

    Cracked orbital bones are potentially quality of life type injuries if not handled with extreme caution and care. His team responded accordingly.
     
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  5. BCS8

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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol:
     
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  7. N17

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    That a good point, I don't remember a Dr looking at retweet the round, after it was called off I saw the Dr.


    Maybe this might start a trend where Drs will automatically inspect if there if swelling or the eye is closing.
     
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  8. BUDW

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    I guess he was kidding when he said he would die before he quit
     
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  9. tee_birch

    tee_birch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No doubt his injury was worse than Brook and certainly Dubois.

    Neither of them continually talked about the fact they would die in the ring etc.

    He got hurt and retired a minute later. It was the right decision but there is plenty of irony in it.
     
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yeah, that should be mandatory.

    I thought I was imagining things when I first caught sight (pun intended) of the injury a few seconds after the uppercut that caused it. It looked to me like there was either a big indentation on his face or his skin had turned grey on that area. Either way, I knew something was badly wrong and you'd think the doctor would want to examine him.
     
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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I've not denied that once. My point is that when a fighter has suffered an injury that serious the fight is over and people making a false equivalence between that injury and a closed or swollen eye, a haematoma or even a less severe fracture to the orbital socket is ridiculous. You can continue to fight for a while or longer with injuries like that but to allow BJS 2.0 back out with his face caved in, let alone with his eye also being swollen shut, would've been downright criminal and incredibly irresponsible.
     
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  12. tee_birch

    tee_birch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree. He dipped in to the shot and by the time he was back up you could see the damage immediately.
     
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  13. iii

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    Really , how do know ?
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yeah and the damage was immediate not gradual. You can't allow an injury like that to deteriorate because it was already a very serious career threatening one as it was and even just one more heavy punch to the injured area not only could of blinded him or caused irreparable damage to his sight or the muscles and nerves surrounding his eyes but likely would of.
     
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  15. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He did look like he wanted to cry...because he is about winning, he gave his best & for the first time in his career he was beaten by the better man on the night. He has nothing to be embarrassed about in that fight. Floyd & GGG gave Canelo hell , BJS & Lara were the nxt 2 fighters, no shame at all...