Billy Joe Saunders vs. Willie Monroe Jr. RBR.

Lol J-Rock didn't win every round he didn't get knocked down. There were close rounds, better to check something like the scene RBR, I admit I had a bias too since I picked Charlo, but so did most of the RBR.

 

Anyways I don't think Saunders has the balls to fight Charlo. He only wants big money fights like Canelo, GGG or Amir fking Khan lmao. If you're a threat and don't bring in PPV buys he won't get near you even though he hasn't paid his dues yet at all.

 

Trout is there to be outboxed as Lara even Canelo proved at times, I didn't feel Charlo outboxed Trout, he outmanned him. Charlo also outmanned and wrecked Julian Williams, it wasn't because he was the better boxer technically but due to him being the tougher, bigger, more aggressive and powerful fighter. If his power does not translate he will lose to the top guys at MW. Charlo's reputation as a slick boxer is false, he is a boxer puncher.

 

I disagree, he was setting plenty of traps for both Trout and J-Rock. I also had him outboxing J-Rock during the fight(not the whole fight), I don't remember the Trout fight vividly, it's been a while, so I won't speak on it as much. If you think the uppercut that landed on J-Rock was not due to technical skills and "outmanning" you're delusional. I don't think Charlo is a slick boxer either, never claimed so. I don't get what your point is. Did I say Charlo was a slick boxer? He's definitely very technically sound and has a NASTY jab. When did Charlo get the reputation of a slick boxer? Are you getting the brothers confused?

Charlo beats Saunders clearly. But like I said I highly doubt Saunders gets anywhere near Charlo. He's busy chasing a big fight and Amir Khan.

 

I never said you said he was slick, but a lot of people tend to call him slick. Where did I say Charlo wasn't technical? I said he is a boxer puncher, a good boxer puncher sets traps and counters which is exactly what you described so I'm not sure what your point is? Just because Charlo finished Williams with an exceptional piece of skill it doesn't erase what happened before in that fight. It was evident from early that the size and power was Williams main issue, not technical boxing. Knockouts cause amnesia as Dwyer says. My point is to say Charlo destroys Saunders is a bit of a stretch, I mean he couldn't starch a guy who had one leg so I'm not sure he beats a fit Saunders easily.

 

You're implying it by saying he wins by outmanning. He's obviously not Chavez Jring them if you get my drift. Yeah it goes boht way, amnesia on your side, thinking that Williams was just outboxing Charlo and it wasn't a back and forth close fight. Yaeh, size and power is what set up that parry uppercut, not skill.
LOL he didn't starch a guy with one leg? What did he do then lmao. Anyways, what I meant by destroyed like I said earlier was he'd clearly win. I just don't think Saunders is a threat at all. I'd be more afraid of Charlo fighting a Lemieux just because of that KO factor. Anyways, neither of us clearly have convinced each other, shall we just call it quits and agree to disagree? Wouldn't mind betting cash if this fight ever gets made though. A trust 20 dollar bet? Doubt anyone is that broke or pathetic to back out on it.

 

What do you want to bet btw, I said he beats Saunders? Do you mean you want to bet on if he does it easy or not?

 

Nah. Just bet on who wins. You said you lean slightly, but by the way you completely **** on him and say he solely relies on outmanning, it should be an easy Saunders win for you no?

 

I mean you think Charlo wins by outmanning, but Saunders is a huge 160 and has been fighting there for ages. I don't see how by your logic Charlo wins this.

 

BJS is not a huge MW at all btw. What I mean is, while both are fresh BJS will show that he is a slicker boxer and as the fight wears on he will gass and Charlos better conditioning and engine will take over and win him the fight. Btw I never said he solely just outmans people, I said he is a boxer puncher. Nobody can sit here and tell me his size and strength didn't play a huge part of his success at 154lbs? He definitly outmanned Charlo in large portions of that fight, and he definitly outmanned Trout in large portions of the fight. The reality is, you said Charlo would "destroy" Saunders and I said he doesn't destroy him but still WINS in a competetive fight, I will bet on that no problem.

 

What was your scorecard for Jermell Charlo vs Jackson at the time of the KO just out of interest?

 

Yes my opinion is he destroys(clearly beats Saunders). But this is a ******ed bet. It's an opinionated bet too. Let's say Charlo wins all rounds closely and wins like a 10-2 decision, but doesn't win them decisively, you would argue he didn't "destroy him". What if Charlo dominates all rounds clearly but the fight is in the UK and they have it a close fight?

Let's just bet Charlo/Saunders. Disagree about him not being a huge MW. There's a reason why he's talked about 168 many times, he's definitely not a small or averaged size MW. Huge might be a stretch, but he's on the bigger side. You're ignoring the point anyways, my point is he's not going to be able to boss Saunders around like that. Don't get me wrong, size/weight is obviously relevant, but styles are also relevant. Charlo fights more mid-distance, than anything, he doesn't smother you, lay on you, etc, sure weight does benefit him but not as much as different styles.

 

Wrong Charlo. I don't have my card, but I had Jackson winning.

 

He's also been talking about 154lbs aswell, his trainer said it after Monroe. The consesus over here for a long time is that Saunders is just lazy and could potentially make 154 if he lived the life. I agree the bet is very opinionated and ultimatly down to interpretation. In my mind, a destruction is what Charlo did to Bundrage or what Canelo did to Kirkland or a 12 round beating. You could win all 12 rounds and it not be a destruction, like Crawford vs Klimov for example. A destruction in my eyes is a brutal defeat.

 

Yes he's mentioned it once. For Khan. He's talked about 168 far more. He's on the bigger side of the MW's. I mean Charlo made 154 how long, and you'd consider him being a bigger mw too right? I'm sure David Lemieux who struggles to make 160 would find a way to make it to 154 for Khan lmao. Don't really care about the consensus for a few of your friends are.

That's cool, but I clearly explained what I meant by destroying.