Billy Miske deserved a title shot

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  1. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Miske possibly did deserve a shot, but Dempsey's team had pencilled in a fight with Fred Fulton 'if he were to beat Harry Wills' for the autumn of 1920. Shortly before this it was reported that Dempsey had agreed to drop his 'drawing of the colour line'. But then Wills iced Fulton, Banana Sam iced him and, of course, the best laid plans of mice and er...mice had gone awry.
     
  2. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    He was ranked #4 in 1925 and was ranked in the top10 for 3 consecutive years.


    Next time take a better look at Boxrec, because it says this:

    Bowe-Golota I:
    Bowe came into this fight as a reknowned champ; Golota as a relative unknown "Great White Hope." What unfolded was a night of high drama as Bowe was taught a boxing lesson with Golota punching him round the ring as if it were Bowe who was the novice. Unfortunately Golota was penalised for repeated low blows. It seemed a little unfair as Bowe too was guilty of dirty fighting. Golota was very good at acting dumb and his nonchalant reaction to having points deducted by the referee either displayed a belief that he would either win by KO, or that he held Bowe in supreme contempt. Or both. Whichever, it made for pulsating viewing. The referee had enough by Round Seven as Bowe was sent crashing to the canvas yet again with a big uppercut to the balls and disqualified Golota. If that wasn't sensational enough, Golota was then attacked by one of Bowe's corner men as he walked back to the corner, being smashed on the head with a mobile cellphone which seemed to shatter on the Pole's crown. Golota's reaction was to instantly swing round and smash the much lighter man in the face, instigating a free for all in the ring. Within seconds the ring was packed like sardines with various bodies throwing punches and Lou Duva, Golota's promoter, was seen lying in the ring, the victim of a heart attack. It was all too much for the crowd who then turned on each other with large numbers of fight fans attacking each other with whatever they could get their hands on, including the auditorium chairs. It seemed to be racially fueled as the predominantly white following of Golota clashed with the mainly black Bowe supporters. The event was poorly policed and thousands of pounds worth of damage was caused. This incident was named The Ring magazine Event of the Year for 1996.

    Bowe-Golota II:


    • Weights: Bowe 235, Golota 239
    • Bowe down in 2nd and 5th; Golota down in 4th.
    • Golota, while clearly winning the fight, was again disqualified for repeated low blows. Golota had 3 points deducted.
    • Referee: Eddie Cotton
    • Judge: Steve Weisfeld 71-75 | Judge: Shafeeq Rashada 73-75 | Judge: Al DeVito 72-74
    • After this bout Bowe was inactive from 1997-2003.
    On film you can see how talented and fluid Golota is. He doesn't really have a good win but as said before, he beat the **** out of Bowe twice and a more merciful corner/referee would've stopped the second fight anywhere past the 5th, i seriously thought Bowe might die in there, especially with the quick weight loss.

    Yeah, well we have additional information so no need to be a hard head. Nothing suggests that Miske was like Golota.
     
  3. janitor

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  6. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dempsey hadn't beaten Miske twice. Both were no decision bouts. The first went ten rounds and was generally judged a draw. Dempsey had a slight edge in the second, a six round affair.

    Many old-timers up in St Paul when I was a kid claimed that Miske had the edge in the 10 round fight. I would say that Miske was unfinished business for Dempsey.
     
  7. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Dempsey did not avoid Godfrey, he was a sparring partner for Dempsey for some time and never considered as significant contender as either Wills or Tunney. That's why Dempsey agreed for a fight with Wills but it never happened and then he fought Tunney.
     
  8. Woddy

    Woddy Guest

    One of whom he avoided, while losing to the other.
     
  9. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    u r so biased. Yes Wills did not get a shot but he was not necessarily "avoided". And i must have said it a thousand times that he was well past his prime when he fought Tunney
     
  10. janitor

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    For the last time.

    Godfrey was ranked at #8 when Dempsey champion. Acusing Dempsey of ducking Godfrey is more than a stretch.

    Did he avoid charlie Chaplin as well?

    I mean he was around tha the time.
     
  11. Woddy

    Woddy Guest

    I beg your pardon?

    You're the one who for the past week has gotten his undies in a bundle over this issue no matter how many times and how many posters have refuted your arguments. Perhaps if you were a little less "biased", then maybe you'd start to develop a more balanced view instead of holding your course on a futile mission to make Dempsey look better than he really was.
     
  12. Woddy

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    Read the previous post that I responded to, rather than constantly planning your next attack. I was referring to Wills and Tunney, not Godfrey.
     
  13. OLD FOGEY

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  14. janitor

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  15. Langford

    Langford Active Member Full Member

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    Miske deserved a title shot, sure. Should he have been one of the only ones, probably not. But he was a good fighter and there was history there.