Bisping vs GSP cancelled, Bisping now fights Romero instead

I won't resort to insults like you, so I'll let that one slide.

No one knows what an ATG is not do they know who an ATG is. There are differing definitions by all those who follow. MMA, like boxing is a subjective sport and those who watch it will have different preferences.

For instance you clearly care a lot about legacy, me, not so much. I'm more bothered about h2h ability. The ability of a man to win fights.

As I've said numerous times, Bisping right now is not that man. But he's only a handful of victories away from being so.

You say ATG is not a title and cannot be taken away, but how many of the original pioneer ATG fighters do you class as ATG fighters today?

For me, ATG is someone who is great enough to be the best in any era. Someone whose greatness transcends the whole of time. The more time passes the less a man can transcend especially in an evolutionary sport. So as enough time passes a man no longer transcends time though no longer is worthy of ATG status.

It seems despite using the same label, we have fundamental differences upon its definition.

 

That was 16-17 months later... Even then that was probably just an off night, he went on to beat Stann and Le who are both better than Leben. Faded yeah... But not shot.

 

Read the article... That pretty much sums it up... He defected in Germany and ran off with another woman.

You can't honestly believe that guy isn't on the sauce or hasn't been for extended points in his athletic career. I believe in the innocent until proven guilty criteria as well, but I'll still call out fighters who look like their juicing... Called out Lombard, Palhares and Overeem out for years before they finally pissed hot.

 

Good, they should have never gave GSP a title shot in the first place. He wouldn't have wanted the title shot, if Romero, or Rockhold had the title. He only wanted Bisping because he is viewed as easy pickings. GSP also would have just dumped the belt after he beat Bisping. UFC is really bogus for putting older guys like Romero and Souza on the back burner for GSP. Souza already suffered the consequences.

 

Yeah fully agree. The way they've treated Jacare and Romero is annoying.

Thankfully this happens much less than it does in boxing.

I mean how many outstanding contenders have been denied a title shot in UFC history?

Liddell, Romero I reckon that's it. Whereas in boxing it happens every year in every weight class.

 

1. Romero is a roided up piece of ****

2. Bisping is nowhere near an ATG, but what he's achieved is incredible given his limited talent

3. Romero is going to smash him

 

Romero has been passing his drug tests, while guys that criticize him like Weidman, have been getting their face beat in since USADA testing started, which is suggestive of something.

 

You'd favour Romero but I have to agree he is a roided piece of ****ing **** !

 

What kind of Bispings H2H ability, what the hell are you talking about? There are like 15 people around his size that people would clearly favor over him in their prime.

ATG is someone who is recognized as a great fighter who will be remembered as long as the sport goes on.

You can't just be an ATG at some point and cease being ATG after a certain period. MMA simply isn't a sport that would produce a lot of real ATGs so far, especially not with the UFC format of marketing and promotion where they constantly hype the new guys and forget the old ones. Bisping is not one of the best of his era either, not even close. He's a gatekeeper, plain and simple.

 

Also guys like Tim "Mr. Olympia" Kennedy, Jacare etc. who also have suspicious physiques and are just as old as Romero. Rockhold also totally declined after USADA. Anderson Silva was caught. Then you have guys like Lombard, past TRT users like Vitor and Hendo. The entire division is full of suspicious guys yet people only point at Romero who has actually been the most consistent post-USADA and has the same physique as before.

I think Mousasi is the only one who gives a "clean" vibe, although you never know obviously and he used to fight in organizations that had no testing at all.

 

Boxing has legitimate rankings by independent sanctioning bodies, mandatory challengers etc., UFC doesn't. Boxing is a legit sport, UFC is a private company. You can't compare them. UFC is a joke compared to boxing

Only recently: Romero, Jacare, Tony Ferguson, Khabib, Demian Maia (supposedly he finally got it now after going 7-0 against killers), Max Holloway (finally got it now), Frankie Edgar.

 

I don't understand your first paragraph.

ATG is different criteria for different people.

What you have to remember is rankings of any active fighter must remain dynamic as they change fight to fight. Obviously if Bisping wins his next fight you'd rank him as more than a gatekeeper.

The format of ensuring the best always fight each other prevents padded records forming.

 

Legitimate rankings that you pay fees for?

All those you mention have received or are about to receive title shots.

Look at every division in MMA and see when or if the 1v2 matchup has happened. Do the same in boxing. Only one sports comes off top in terms of competitive match making.