Bivol is coming to spar Canelo

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Quina74, May 5, 2022.


  1. FanManII

    FanManII Well-Known Member Full Member

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    WHAT ABOUT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  2. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    I CAN BARELY HEAR YOU, SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT LOUDER MATE.
     
  3. FanManII

    FanManII Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It just goes to show you guys........." We have a fellow member on our favorite web site, who can hear words when you type words. On the internet. NONE OF US ARE SAFE! Run for your lives!
    Remember what I said about Nerds and little pansies? As it were.
     
  4. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    Did you say something?
     
  5. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Don't waste your time with the conspiracy theorists. Like talking to a flat earther. They have an answer for everything. True story. I was recently having a conversation with a flat earthen. I asked way has there never been a picture of the end of the earth. They responded the earth is infinite. In their mind an infinite earth is more believable than a round one.
     
  6. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Lmao... you dont even wait to see the fight before you cry fix. So pathetic. Also exposes how out of touch and biased you are on this subject.
     
  7. Betyabeatyaup

    Betyabeatyaup Active Member Full Member

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    Answer me this question genius. How do you throw snappy punches with full extension when the opponent is within that range (not at the end of it)? Are you the one crying about Canelo standing right in front of him? That’s exactly the range to fight him. Ward in the first Kovalev fight learned this the hard way, he stayed at the end of the punches. Look at how he adapted, he learned that you have to get inside on Kovalev. Now what do you think Canelo learned from that genius?

    I’m amazed at how little some people know about boxing, who watch boxing. What are you looking at, the shiny muscles? That’s cool if that’s your thing, but stick to your lane. Looking at muscly men and talking about conspiracy theories, you stay there and I’ll stay over here watching the sport.
     
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  8. FanManII

    FanManII Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lets call the mods!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate weasels.
     
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  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't know where you came from, but you're much needed around here. It's tiring trying to talk some sense into Q on my own, I appreciate getting a break from him with an intelligent poster like you entering the fold and breaking into him from other angles. Really appreciate your expertise, Q could learn a lot from you, it's going to take a lot though to shake him out of his conspiracy mindset.
     
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  11. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is so ****ing stupid lmao
    Irony levels off the charts.

    You keep watching Canelo's circus show you naive fool
     
  12. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I remember you, you're the guy who couldn't debate my points in another thread where I called his fights as fixed. And I'm calling it a fix based on trends you halfwit. You don't get claim in out of touch and biased when you're rationale for the fights being real is non existent
     
  13. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    This thread is the definition of conspiratorial overreach. You remind me of all of those people who just weren't happy saying that Bush and Cheney were at best, asleep at the wheel, or at worst criminally negligent on 9/11, either by not taking the threat seriously enough or purposely ignoring the threat hoping they could use any possible attack as a pretext for war, not quite realizing it would be as bad as it was. While some would say that even was a stretch, at the very least it's somewhat feasible. But no.... here came all of the loons out of the woodwork trying to say that Bush secretly had the World Trade Center wired for explosives and then there was all the crazy ass yammering on about plane holograms and whatnot. There were perfectly good narratives to frame George W. Bush as a screw up or a sinister Machiavellian. But the bat**** crazy overreach ended up making everyone who questioned the official narrative look like nutcases. Well that's you in a nutshell @Quina74. You could easily say Avni Yildirim sucks and knows he sucks, and probably knew he was going to get KO'd, so he showed up and didn't put in much effort, bailed before getting badly hurt and collected his paycheck. Or that Canelo took advantage of Sergey when he was coming off of a punishing match, didn't give him enough time to fully recuperate from it or to fully prepare for their match, put in a rehydration clause, yadda yadda yadda, all for the expressed intention of beating an ill prepared arguably shot Kovalev without a proper training camp, so he can pick up another easy strap. Kovalev knowing the risks, thought the money was worth it. Yet even with everything going against Kovalev, he still handily outboxed Canelo the majority of the match, therefore proving that Canelo needed all those advantages. See, both of those perfectly reasonable arguments, you'd probably have a lot of people on your side.

    But no, you're just not content with that. You've just got to go that one step too far, over into the realm of the absurd. Causing you to lose all credibility, and no one willing to have your back. So a little advice, from here on out, always try take the Occam's razor approach. ;)
     
  14. 22JM

    22JM Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lmfao ridiculous, so if Bivol wins or stops Canelo it is because it was also fix??
     
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  15. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is just ramblings. You may as well have just deleted this part because nothing was said of value. The only so called "conspiracy theory" I entertain is this blatant fixed affair in Canelo - Kovalev, Yildrim, Smith
    Kovalev dominated a much heavier handed counterpunching essentially cruiser (limited in ring IQ) in Yarde with the jab alone. He was in and out of range, putting intent and snap on the jab and other punches. His hesitation to what was coming back was also heightened. These were all thing he demonstrated before against much bigger opponents. Yet he does the opposite against a guy coming up two weight classes and hadnt knocked out anyone at 154lb+ + apart from 140lber paper chin Khan and Kirkland.

    Canelo was not doing anything drastically more impressive than Yarde. He was just plodding forwards, often leaning forward to counter, stepping back and moving his head every now and then (let's not pretend Canelo's come forward head movement is good). Kovalev was literally trying not to hurt him, there are countless instances of him not just putting no snap or intent on his punches but pulling his punches. He was slowly pitty pattying away receiving no response from Canelo over and over again, telling him he could put a faster snappier punch in without repercussions from a 160bler, yet he never does so. There are countless openings where Canelo is open to be hit yet Kovalev slowly (instead of throwing fast and snappier which would reduce his chances of getting hit back) pitty pattys away with no intent. He does this throughout the fight. Canelo was eating snappy thrown with intent straights against 36yo GGG and smaller Lara, yet Kovalev with arguably a better jab than GGG, alongside height and reach advantage, cannot put anything behind any of his punches. What is absolutely clear is he is not trying to win the "fight".

    To suggest his lack of training camp (there were 2 months + in between fights) and his performance against Yarde (where he dominated bar one round and finished him with a jab) was the reason why he did the above (zero intent/snap on punches, clear openings etc) is pretty laughable. You've claimed, and Kovalevs claimed, he had no energy.. So that prevents you from throwing punches with any snap and causes you to pull punches from round 1 onwards when there are clear openings. I've seen countless exhausted fighters halfway into a fight throw punches with intention and snap actually trying to hurt the opponent. Kovalev did not look exhausted he looked like he did not care. He pitty pattied all night. He could stand up move around the ring, throw slow pitty pat punches (which consume energy just having your hands up and even extending) yet couldn't throw punches with snap and intention. OK

    Having a short-camp or coming off a tough fight against a previous opponent is not enough to completely stop you from doing something as basic as committing to your punches by stepping into them and having your arms extended when throwing punches, at least not in the very first round.

    This was either an outright fix or Kovalev just simply did not care at all about winning in the slightest. Canelo would certainly have known Kovalev was not trying to take him out or even try to win. Now given several trends in Canelo's fights where opponents try not to win, I have to point towards the fights being fixed.
    You are calling what I've claimed absurd yet your argument rests on Kovalevs performance being a result of a short camp and dominating a cruiser - which I've addressed. And I think you're being a bit dishonest saying I'm absurd for these claims. Many, including on this forum (Lufcrazy did a poll 32/94 (34%) thought the fight was a fix) , thought the fight was fix. Professional boxers even hinted at it. Badou Jack is on video suggesting it could have been, Chris Eubank Jr suggested it, and Austin Trout outright called it a fix (twitter). It's far from absurd, and claiming I'm absurd for thinking it is a fix is just ridiculous, especially when you look at the fight itself. The fight itself is suspect at the very least. So you're exaggerating here for the sake of it.

    Also, you watch a lot of boxing, there are countless indicators of corruption in boxing - almost every other week there are dodgy scorecards, or a suspect ref, there's also blatant dodgy rankings and associations with certain promotional outlets. This is not to mention all the other behind the scenes shenanigans. Why is a fix so beyond the realms of possibility? I think it's absurd to think otherwise to be honest.

    Corruption in boxing is rife, fixed fights are not out of the realm possibility. It was literally run by the mafia. Kinahan himself was involved with MTK. These are just somethings out there. Boxing is clearly corrupt. This is not to mention blatant fixed fights, for what we have seen with Richard Lartey (against that Wardley and others) and Wilder Scott (Wilder literally did not land a punch)

    It's telling that a guy who watches so much boxing can't understand this