Bivol isn't P4P #10

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  1. fruitandnutcase

    fruitandnutcase Member Full Member

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    His best win is against a guy coming up, who is already small for that weight class and arguably dominates a weak era, and Bivol's own wins at 175 consist of hasbeens and B-listers

    If Beterbiev went up to heavyweight after snagging a cruiserweight title, and got schooled by Hrgovic, that doesn't make Hrgovic some P4P monster

    And the worst part? I actually think Bivol beats Beterbiev. But P4P is based on achievements, not fanfiction

    Give me a break
     
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  2. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed, 175 is no place for Canelo. I applaud him for taking the challenge and I didn't drop him on my p4p list after losing at 175 for that reason. But I'm not giving Bivol a ton of credit for beating a guy he had no business losing to and I said he would beat easily years ago.

    Similar to my feelings on Spence. He was never top 10 p4p for me. His has a very similar resume to Bivol.
     
  3. Curlew

    Curlew Active Member Full Member

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    With all due respect, it's based on whatever the person ranking boxers chooses to base it on. P4P is all fanfic at the end of the day. I have Bivol in the top 5-10 based on what he looks like when he's fighting. Are we going to pretend Bud isn't up there too, because his resume is a little thin? Or that Pacquiao was top 5 P4P when he retired because of his achievements?
     
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  4. fruitandnutcase

    fruitandnutcase Member Full Member

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    I liked Bud's resume even pre-Spence, and more importantly it was better than Bivol's. Multi-weight champion, multiple unifications, stoppages, relatively elite opposition and so on. Meanwhile Bivol's best win against a native light heavyweight is uhhhh... Barrera, maybe?

    Also, the problem with the eyetest is that it's highly dependent on who're you're in the ring with. While I admit all of our measuring sticks are subjective, the eyetest seems particularly flawed

    Achievements are obviously framed within context. Some still feel Usyk is a more skilled fighter than both Bud and The Monster, but he's fighting either weak or repetitive competition recently, so it's natural for him to drop a few places. No one considered Roy Jones a P4P legend when he was getting battered by Russian plumbers in the 2010s, despite his former greatness
     
  5. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    Throw this ****ing idiot out
    His name ain't down
    So how the **** as he got in
     
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  6. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bivol is for sure in the top ten P4P.
     
  7. Goran_

    Goran_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Bivol has beaten Canelo, Ramirez, Smith, Pascal, Chilemba & Barrera in 21 fights... with ease.. hes every inch p4p... scoff at LHW Canelo all u want .. I have my criticisms but he has the balls to challenge himself unlike Crawford who walks around as a f****** CW.. Canelo weighs over 190lbs.. to say he's too small is a lie, short yes but more than capable of looking ripped & being a world class LHW fighter.. Hed brutalise weight grifter Spence.. They aren't even comparable those wins.. Canelo was ranked p4p #1 & the favourite to win.. his career shits all over Spence.. who isn't even the same Spence these days anyway... in fact there's actually not much size difference between Bivol , Spence and Crawford yet two of em are f****** WWs.. i know which one I would consider more the essence of p4p..
     
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  8. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Beterbiev beat better guys than Bivol at 175. Bivol can't be P4P before Beterbiev.
     
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  9. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    The way he dismantled Zurdo was impressive tbh. Who’s done Zurdo like that?
     
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  10. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    From the Ring perspective? There is no way he is outside of it. Canelo was the pound for pound #1 at the time Bivol beat him, having just unified the 168 with relative ease. Bivol dismantled him on foreign soil, and he is by no means a big light-heavyweight, being comfortable coming down to the super-middle to take Saul's belts. Some okay wins in Pascal, Barrera, Smith, and adding the surgery on undefeated Zurdo (a colossal southpaw, essentially a cruiserweight; failed to make weight by an outrageous amount in his next fight) sealed the deal.

    Without the Beterbiev win, there is no talk of him contesting for higher spots, but him being in is fair. A lot of P4P resumes outside of the big trio in Crawford, Usyk, and Inoue (Bud's is a little bit shaky as well) falls apart under scrutiny.
     
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  11. tarrant45

    tarrant45 Active Member Full Member

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    Canelo is garbage at 175. Zurdo is garbage period and looked like it in his previous fights, slow with no defense. Smith is average and Pascal was 40. Bivol is good but he is still a basic euro stiff. A real high level fighter will beat him imo. Benavidez will fold him in half in the next few years if Bivol dares fight him. Apparently he got beat up in sparring by David.
     
  12. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Well... that has a little something to do with it being the only time Zurdo actually fought a threat. Most assumed he would steamroll Hart and he went life and death with him, not once but twice. Zurdo never stood a snowball's chance in hell against Bivol.
     
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  13. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Prediction ? Pain Full Member

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    Bivol had a fine year last year schooling both Ginger and Zurdo. I love watching him fight - so slick.

    But he's inactive. And might not even fight this year so has certainly fallen down p4p.

    Activity is important.
     
  14. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    this really the correct answer Bivol getting a lot of hyped mainly due to Canelo having the most haters, but Beterbiev is the guy with the better resume the 100% KO ratio and unified 3 titles he should be p4p top 10 over Bivol easy
     
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  15. DavHQ

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    Bivol and Beterbiev are both top 7 p4p
     
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