Bivol P4P IF he beats Beterbiev?

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  1. FreddieGibbs

    FreddieGibbs Active Member Full Member

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    Beterbiev a glass jaw? He’s been in with giant punchers amateur and pro and has been properly hurt once?
     
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  2. FreddieGibbs

    FreddieGibbs Active Member Full Member

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    Beterbiev statistically does not get hit a lot. Nowhere near as much as people assume he does
     
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Both deep Soviet brothers Bivol and Beterbiev are much better than Spence.

    Remember when people on here tried to lock me up in an insane asylum for saying that Beterbiev was more skilled than Spence? They stared at me in disbelief like I was a raving lunatic and tried to have me sectioned but of course I was 100% right and, as per usual, it was them who needed to be carted off to the loony bin.
     
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  4. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    I am proud of myself for never buying into the Spence hype.
    He is/was really good, but he wasn´t a level above the likes of Danny Garcia and Shawn Porter. Well, I guess it depends on how you view "levels" but he clearly was not that much better than them.
     
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  5. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    They're both very good fighters.

    All else being equal, bigger punchers tend to get rated/hyped a lot more than slicksters - they're more enjoyable for most fans, so it's only natural that there'd be bias in their favour.

    And when you look at a fight like this where one is a particularly big puncher and the other very rarely knocks out anyone... Well, you can see why one would have more popular appeal than the other, and how that might lead to predictions getting a bit one-sided.

    Personally, I have a feeling Bivols got just about enough power and a very healthy skill advantage... Beterbiev isn't an unskilled windmill, he's decently skilled - but Bivol is top top drawer.
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yes. Very good fighter but he's just not a P4P top 10 type of talent. All that kind of talk only arose because of the PBC hype machine and matchmaking
     
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  7. monaim

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    If Beterbiev knocks out Bivol, I'll put him #1. That's better rewards than Ward or GGG, who were P4P leaders in their prime.
     
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  8. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Exactly!
    I mean, there was an argument for him to be around the 10th spot by the time he fought Crawford. He unified 3 of the belts and beat some good names.
    But Spence was already on Ring P4P list by 2018 and in 2019 they upped him to the 5th spot. Absolutely ridiculous.
     
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  9. Ultimate

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    1. Usyk (if he beats Fury.. if Fury wins top 10)
    2. Bivol/Beterbiev winner
    3. Crawford
     
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  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Yes it was. The Ring magazine had Spence ranked #4 going into the Crawford fight. He's literally fought two career 147 pounder world champion in his entire career and he struggled badly against both.

    Brook was the first when Spence won his first world title and the Ring had him ranked in the top 10 ever since that win IIRC and the other was Porter which was the only defence during his six year reign as champ against another career 147 world champ, the rest were all career 140s or blown up 135 Mikey.

    And he's barely fought any legit punchers. PBC build up certain fighters and match them up in weak title or vacant title fights and drag opponents up in weight to feed to their stars so they can then act like their stars have done something special. We see this a lot with Twink and they did it with Spence too.

    Spence was ranked above Usyk P4P by some supposedly reputable outlets even after Usyk whooped AJ and many fans had Spence ranked P4P #1 going back five years ago FFS
     
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  11. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Worst case scenario, 4th
    Best case scenario, 2nd

    Depends on the manner of victory
     
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