Bivol will have 6 weeks to prepare for Canelo

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    No. Bivol at 175 next.
     
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  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You think that'll happen? I'd prefer it at 168, and wouldn't mind waiting for it, but still would be very interested if they can make it happen at 175 for September. Would be a huge fight.

    As an alternative though, in case it can't be made for September, are there any challengers at 168 that you'd like to see step up and challenge Canelo for the SMW titles?
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    You'd prefer Canelo fight a 175 belt holder at a weight he's never competed at? Why? Canelo is in a lose-lose at 168. He can't receive any credit for that win.

    At 168 I'd ideally see Plant. Failing that Benavidez or CEJ would be good fights.

    At 175 I'd like Beterbiev, then Bivol then Ramirez in that order.
     
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  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because it's a better fight at that weight and Bivol has expressed a desire to make that happen, claiming he can make 168 no problem. I would prefer Canelo stay and fight at 168 which is his best weight. When Canelo moved up to 175 vs Kovalev he was a lot heavier and slower. He's not really suited for moving up to 175. He could do it but it's a big risk for him, because first even if he picks up a title there he would likely have to drop it then move down to 168 again. It's not really good for a fighter in their prime to be fluctuating in weight. The best thing Canelo can do is fight the best fighters at his weight. He's the Unified Champion at 168 remember. Why should he be chasing fights in the division above? There's plenty of competition available at 168. And that's where Canelo is at his best. I want to see Canelo at his best so we get the most possible excitement and entertainment not a slowed down lesser duller version of him fighting a division above where he should be at 175. He a muiltple title holder at 168. He needs to be defending those not chasing Light Heavyweights.
    Plant was the fight we wanted but he backed out. Benavidez has a match scheduled for later this month and he lost his SMW title by failing to make 168. So he's out of the picture for September and he needs to prove he can make 168 and fight in this weight class before we can consider him as a challenger for Canelo.

    CEJ would be a great fight but hes at Middleweight so he would have to move up.

    Just going through the boxrec Super Middleweight rankings there's several undefeated fighters he could fight.

    Carlos Gongora 20-0

    Zach Parker 21-0

    Back in April Gongora said he wants to fight Canelo so that could be a possibility for September.

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  5. Wizbit1013

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    How can someone say 168 is a better fight when one fighter has never ever fought at that weight? Lol

    168 benefits nobody except Bivol and his bank balance
     
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  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bivol has been lobbying for a 168 lb unification. He's made it very clear he has no problem making 168 and his promoter has said they are seeking that with Canelo. Some have made the argument that Bivol needs a longer training camp for him to get down to 168, so given the weight differences, Bivol doesn't seem to be a possibility for September. Canelo could move up to 175 but he really needs to defend his titles in the division he's in. He's a unified Champ at 168 he doesn't need to be chasing fights at 175. He should be fighting the best at 168. Unfortunately the best option at 168, Plant, had cold feet and decided to back away from fighting Canelo. So bring on the next best challenger at Super Middleweight. If / when Bivol can make 168 then make that happen. Bivol's a great fight but there seems to be too much uncertainty over the weight to agree to terms right away. Canelo needs to find an opponent ready to fight him at 168 in September. We're 6 weeks away from fight week and he doesn't have an opponent. If an opponent isn't announced soon then we'll hear all kinds of crying about the camp being too short.
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    Bringing a fighter down in weight very rarely results in a better fight. Almost never.

    As for why he should chase fights at a higher weight, he doesn't have to do anything. But if he's going to fight at 168 it should be against SMW fighters, Bivol is wholly unproven at 168.

    As for Canelo, I just want to see him in the most competitive fights possible. Its only at LHW where we can start to imagine him actually losing whilst still being at his best.

    Those guys you mentioned are crap fights tbh. Might as well just take a mandatory challenge is he's going to do that.
     
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  8. lufcrazy

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    Plant didn't back away. He agreed to every demand.

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  9. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This part of the article doesn't make sense :
    The matter of the ring size?

    "Alvarez and Billy Joe Saunders battled over the distance inside the ropes"?

    How can you take anything this article seriously with a comment like that? The only fighter who battled over the distance inside the ropes was Saunders. Phrasing it this way is attempting to make it seem like Canelo was somehow demanding Plant agree to a ring size like Saunders did to him. 20-by-20 is standard. Saying Plant agreed to the standard 20-by-20 ring size like Canelo was making demands about the ring size is misleading. Then he claims Plant said Canelo had other "ridiculous requests" without specifying what those were.

    As far as the guaranteed $$ in the event that Plant gets injured, there seems to be some confusion over this aspect of the contract. There's other reports that say it was Plant who wanted guaranteed $$ in case Canelo got injured. Remember that was what we were talking about last week, that was the premise of why Plant backed out, which didn't make sense to me.

    If Plant is being quoted as saying that it was Canelo who wanted the guaranteed $40 from PBC in case Plant gets injured, then that makes more sense. It's a tricky situation because Canelo is dealing with PBC who he's never dealt with before. I think it's a difficult negotiation but the $40 mil guarantee in case a fighter gets injured seems to be the sticking point. I don't get why the negotiations were halted with that. If that was the number, but PBC wouldn't agree to that, then surely in the event Plant gets injured there is some figure that both sides would agree to. There should have been more of an effort to work though that in negotiations.

    It's just crazy that they seemed to agree with everything else but it was the guaranteed $$ for Sept 18th in case a fighter pulls out from injury, which is a pretty unlikely scenario that seems to have stopped the fight from happening. In the event of an injury and the fight being cancelled, it would be a huge disappointment and I think both sides should be able to negotiate through such a scenario.

    It's also important to note that the tone of all this is that Canelo's just making demands and Plant keeps agreeing to everything. Most of these so-called demands are standard contractual terms. And lets not forget that the main demand that Canelo had to agree to here is that Canelo has to fight Plant on PBC on a Fox PPV. I'm sure Canelo and his team would much prefer fighting on DAZN and with Eddie Hearn his promoter promoting the event. Canelo agreed to fight on PBC so lets not act like Plant wasn't demanding that of Canelo.
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    Demands, concessions, negotiations, whatever it doesn't matter.

    Plant said he agreed to everything and signed his contract.

    So it's unfair to say he's backed out.
     
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  11. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well Plant's promoter, PBC, apparently didn't agree to the offer. If the sticking point was in the event that either fighter gets injured in camp and has to pull out, that's just unfortunate. This is not something that should be the straw that broke the camel's back. Both sides and PBC should come back to the table this week and make it happen. In the scenario that either Canelo or Plant gets injured in camp and pulls out, I think at that point both sides have to realize that the fight would need to be rescheduled to another date.

    Does anyone know if it was planned on being held at Raiders stadium or was it going to be in an Arena in Vegas?
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    Never mind that, nothing should be the straw that breaks the camels back. Whatever it takes to make the fight.

    However form Plants own mouth, he said he signed and agreed to everything, so it's unfair to say he backed out when he hasn't done.
     
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  13. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In this topic, last week, it was reported by multiple posters that Plant did not agree to terms :

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    It was in that topic that was indicated by multiple posters that it was Plant who did not agree to some of the demands, like that he couldn't fight anyone before fighting Canelo in the event that there's an injury in camp that causes the fight to be postponed. That is where the claim that Plant backed out came from.
     
  14. shadow111

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    By the way I just found out that it was going to be at the MGM Grand because Raiders Stadium was hosting a UNLV football game that day and T-Mobile also had an event that day. So it wouldn't be a stadium fight. For me a fight this big should be in a Stadium. If Canelo can sell out AT&T Stadium for Saunders he should be able to sell out another Stadium for Plant. So the fact that only an Arena was available in Vegas may have also caused the guaranteed $$ in the event of an injury to be a sticking point because having it in a small arena would significantly lower the gate. The problem with Stadiums in September is that unlike in May, for September football and baseball are going on so it's harder to find a stadium that could host it.
     
  15. Bustajay

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    At 175 I forecast a 50/50 fight and only because Canelo is the one who has to make adjustments in the shortest time allotted.

    If this fight is held @168 then it swings the odds to more like 60/40 for Big Red who has to just adjust for a different opponent and no weight issues.

    Either way this will be a solid challenge for both guys.