Bizarre shift in opinion of Fury v Wilder II

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  1. Lith

    Lith Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think the first fight proved Wilder can land on Fury and hurt him, it means that the possibility for him to turn the fight around is still 100% still there. Fury just made it through that, the fight is as precarious for both as the last one is - in my opinion. Fury has to be the favourite, but not by a landslide.
     
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  2. Dario Argento

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    Just ignore the fact that Fury wasnt even 70 percent. Or 50 percent for that matter.
     
  3. Lith

    Lith Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That is nonsense. He may not have been 100%, but he was hardly a shell of himself. At the end of the day he was prepared to fight and he got dropped, hard - it can happen so even if he is better next time, it is a risk that is there.
     
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  4. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    As I said. First one he dipped, tried to close the distance to clinch, but Wilder took an angle on him. Second one Fury just stood in front of Wilder and dipped. It's easy to time that.

    Wtf is Fury supposed to do? Just stand up straight? He needs to move while using head movement. He can't stay on straight lines.
     
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  5. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    Based on what? Don't pull random numbers out of your ass.
     
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  6. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Remember how Sam Peter beat James Toney in the rematch by trying to jab and box? It was ugly, but it won him the fight.

    I feel like Wilder might be able to do the same thing.
     
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  7. FartWristedBum

    FartWristedBum I walk this Earth like a bum Full Member

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    Spot on. I was expecting Fury to box South paw more but his balance and confidence wasn't quite there.
    IMO, if Fury should switch-hit more often, smother more to tire and frustrate Wilder and dip less. If he also circles right, away from Wilder's long right hand, he'll perform a relatively routine shut-out. None of the above is beyond Fury at all, it's even his MO going by previous fights.

    I cannot understand those thinking Wilder has a chance here, he already had his best chance and blew it.
     
  8. red_roo

    red_roo Active Member Full Member

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    An if Wilder' can land 15 percent more right hand's in this rematch . Fury be in a bit of trouble , remember Fury was up da drug's for 3 year's it's a tough Hard not as strong mentally as he once was . Both have something to Prove . Be a very interesting Fight .
     
  9. Brighton bomber

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    True he can definitely get to Fury when he begins to tire a little and slows down. But the thing is he did hit him with his best shots and Fury got up both times to stun Wilder. Even if Wilder can get to Fury sooner and with more regularity, how does he stop Fury, because when he opens up on Fury he's so open to be countered he gets tagged and has to back off and clinch.

    If Wilder is to beat Fury other than of course another horrible decision, getting to him more consistently isn't enough, he needs to learn not to get too wild when finishing because one or even 2 flush shots won't be enough to keep Fury down he has to be able to follow up and not get tagged when doing so.

    Wilder needs more than power to win this fight, he needs to be less predictable, change how he throws the right hand, especially remove that big step which is a big tell to him loading up the right hand and then learn not to windmill when he has Fury hurt. I think it's a big ask for a fighter Wilder's age to make so many changes in his style and mindset.
     
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  10. Alphafighter

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    Fury in the rematch needs to make sure offensive adjustments as well like Freddie Roach mentioned ie whenever he rocks Wilder he has to take full advantage rather than take a step back and be content with a decision win. Wilder has game changing power therefore it will be stupid to let him off the hook and secondly your fighting in his backyard therefore it is unlikely to win a decision..

    Secondly stop the stupid clowning around and be more professional in the ring
     
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  11. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Exactly, he dipped both times. First one, he A. let himself be trapped against the ropes, better fitness and footwork should make that less common and B. should have put his arms in a more blocking manner to crowd into the clinch, instead of dipping into it. Second one, he should have used footwork to back up and avoid Wilder. Every time he did that Wilder never came remotely close.

    Hopefully this was either a conditioning problem or a strategy problem, and either way will be fixed for the next fight.
     
  12. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My brain is favouring Fury because he only needs to avoid being tagged clean like he did the first time, if it goes points Fury wins, however Wilder only needs to stop swinging his shots and throw more straight power punches and Fury will likely get ktfo. It really down to those two options in my eyes.
     
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  13. minemax

    minemax Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This fight is close to 50/50.
     
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  14. Holler

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    Frank is that you?
     
  15. minemax

    minemax Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Isn't Frank thinking it's 80/20? :wink: