Bizarre shift in opinion of Fury v Wilder II

Terminology really isn't your thing, is it? Not "dipping", not "head movement", not "backwards". Just as "head movement" isn't coextensive with "dipping", neither is "backwards" coextensive with "straight line". I get it though. You are trapped in a bad, losing argument that you've lost at basically every turn, so you cling to the weak arguments you can dig up. Keep trying to argue its a great idea for a 6'9 HW to give up his height and dip constantly, idiot.

 

LOL! "Smarty pants"? "Can't comprehend". Come on dude, you lost. The only one who can't comprehend things, like the basic logic that a 6-'9 fighter shouldn't give up his height, is you. Just admit it.

For the 5th or 6th time, BOTH ****ING TIME FURY GOT NAILED, HE GOT NAILED DIPPING. You are the just about the ONLY person stupid enough not to see causality there. Fury retreated BACKWARD countless times throughout the fight and Wilder never looked close to nailing him. He dipped nearly as often and Wilder was often close. It was a clear danger zone throughout the fight to anyone who wasn't braindead like you. In the 9th, he A. should have used better footwork to avoid being caught near the ropes in the first place and B. Once he was at the ropes, shouldn't have given up his height and dipped, but instead should have stood tall, put his arms in a higher dominant position and crowded in to block anything coming at his face, and then clinched to help use his size advantage and wear Wilder down. Anything but give up his height and dip in a manner that was begging for a kd. In the 12th, he should have retreated backwards in the manner he had numerous times throughout the fight and not given up his height and dipped.

 

No, I've said very clearly from the beginning that footwork was a central problem. You are A. ignoring that and B. ignoring the problems dipping clearly played in the fight with Fury, because you have made up your mind contra to all available evidence. Presumably you like dipping and are trying to justify that, even when it makes no stylistic sense. Fury did give up his height and did it frequently in that fight by dipping. Usually he got away with it through raw reflexes and skill. But he was visually more vulnerable during those periods. A(lmost)ny idiot could see it coming. Lowering your head in the manner he did, against a shorter fighter he was otherwise making sure was never coming anywhere close to him, was an obvious mistake. It may not suit your agenda, but it was obvious nonetheless.

 

Yes, powerful move, if used correctly. A 6'9 movement based HW with a 40 lb weight and 2 inch height advantage against a dynamite fisted opponent is not that using it correctly. Occasional use, sure I never said otherwise. Reliant remotely to the extent Fury was? No. It was a crutch to get out of using footwork to escape. Hopefully something that will be corrected when he has more time to get in better shape.

 

And your clip showed May using the tactic much more sparingly and justifiably than did Fury.

 

Well, then it doesn't sound like substantively we are very far off at all. Your assessments of both the 9th and 12th sound now almost identical to my assessments. As you said, we identify different locus points of the problem. I said "dipping" because that was the actual tactic that was used to his detriment. That tactic may well have been used because of footwork problems, fatigue or strategy based. I focused on the final tactic utilized.

Regardless, I agree his footwork was at least half the issue. Ideally, his footwork can improve a lot through better conditioning, and we won't see dipping used in situations like this, which is a statement that reading above I think you can at least agree on. I guess if he simply can't use footwork, dipping is better than nothing. If the contra is what you thought I was saying, which I wasn't, then maybe I can understand your objection. But whether through gameplan or fatigue, he needs to stop relying on it to remotely the extent he did last time. Or else its predicable and leaves Wilder in a better position to close than he would otherwise be in.