BJ Penn vs Nick Diaz @ 170lbs (5 rd fight)

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Bill Butcher, Feb 17, 2011.


  1. powers

    powers Member Full Member

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    kj noons is qaulity boxer ive seen most of his pro boxing fights,far better hands than gsp and nick stood and boxed his head off.every 1 has own opinions just ashame cant happen
     
  2. marsupial

    marsupial Monkey Full Member

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    I don't know if you've seen the fight, but even though Noons is a quality boxer, he boxed horribly in that fight. He uppercut the air all night from ridiculous range, he looked so clueless. Diaz knew what to expect from Noons, a pure boxer with no takedowns, no kicks and no clinch game, yet he stood 5 rounds. It would be a lot harder for Diaz to predict what's coming against GSP, he's way too well rounded for Diaz, he would keep him guessing the whole fight. Against BJ, who knows, he's smaller and gasses faster, but I still think he'd be too much for Diaz.

    But as you said, to each his own opinion. I just don't see Diaz as good as he's being portrayed.
     
  3. WATERBOY

    WATERBOY I Worship Steven Tucker Full Member

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    Diaz's boxing isn't better than bj's if you think it is you don't know boxing!
     
  4. Ubersteve

    Ubersteve The Main Event Mafia Full Member

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    Diaz to me in the WW division in the UFC, I'm almost certain loses to.

    GSP
    Fitch
    Penn
    Shields
    Alves
    Koscheck
    Condit

    He'd have competitive fights with

    Diego
    Thiago
    Kampmann
    Hathaway
    Macdonald
    Hardy

    Just imo, I do think Diaz gets too much credit considering the level of fighters he's beaten, though I do admire his style.
     
  5. One Punch KO

    One Punch KO Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think that Condit-Diaz would be a very competitive fight.

    What makes you think he'd almost certainly lose?

    :think
     
  6. Rob_Floyd

    Rob_Floyd Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I clearly don't think Hardy is a more worthy competitor...

    I was being sarcastic.
     
  7. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Ive been watching boxing for a long time & it looks better to me.
     
  8. WATERBOY

    WATERBOY I Worship Steven Tucker Full Member

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    The art of boxing is to hit and not be hit, Diaz gets tagged alot he's just tough as ****!
     
  9. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    When has Diaz beat anybody near BJ's level?
     
  10. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Ray Robinson was easier to hit than Whitaker or Mayweather but he was still better than both due to his offence.
    You see, there are LOADS of different ways to annalyse a mans boxing ability, I feel diaz has better hands than Penn, whether he has better boxing D is up for debate, Penn aint exactly Willie Pep in there now is he ?
     
  11. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    What has that got to do with me saying he has better hands than Penn ?

    On your subject - Diaz has fought a lot of good fighters (as has Penn) & never once let himself be dominated by anyone, I know Frank Shamrock was past prime but Diaz dominated him on the feet & beat him down like no-one ever has before, using his boxing alone, I doubt BJ could have did that to Shamrock. Diaz is a better fighter now than he was in the UFC & he was a really good fighter there too.
     
  12. WATERBOY

    WATERBOY I Worship Steven Tucker Full Member

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    Penns offensive boxing is alot better his jab is the best in the game his timing is great IMO when on form he has the best boxing in the game! He's fighting better people aswell, who diaz fought? Frank shamrock is shot who else has he fought kj noons who is prob not even top 10!
     
  13. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Noons is a very highly rated boxer & Diaz outboxed him for 5 rds which supposedly was the exact thing he could not do... but he did, to prove a point that his hands were as good as anyone`s in MMA... he could have pulled Noons to the ground & submitted his ass with ease if he choose but he beat him at his own game... boxing.

    Frank is shot but he still got the beatdown of his life... Gomi was not shot tho, Diaz is a bit bigger than Gomi but Diaz punched the **** out of him then submitted him using pure BJJ technique (gogoplata - spell check)
     
  14. WATERBOY

    WATERBOY I Worship Steven Tucker Full Member

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    Noons isn't a highly rated boxer decent hands for mma but that's it, he's not some monster striker! And gomi is just a slugger with power! For me Diaz is the same class as Diego Sanchez not bad but not really a top dog!
     
  15. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    A) It has everything to do with it. People look better against lesser competition. FACT. Diaz has never fought, let alone beat, a world class fighter.

    B) Frank Shamrock? Just stop. He was relevant like 15 years ago.

    C) Why do you say he is better now than he was when he was in the UFC? Are you speaking relative to the competition out there he has improved more? Do you think he has progressed more than Diego Sanchez? If so, that is a very bold statement being that Diego was relatively new to MMA when he beat Diaz, as opposed to Diaz being very well accustomed to the sport. To say Diaz improved more than the "green" sanchez did after that is very questionable.
    I know he's improved, but he hasn't evolved from what he was. He has just fought lesser opposition, so he's looked better. :deal