BJ Penn vs. Rickson Gracie Prime for Prime

you mean now or prime, if now bj however he wants if you mean prime for prime it is ahrd to call.

 

iwould say his prime was maybe 5-10 years before that, i have no doubts that bj is light years ahead on his feet but if it goes to the ground rickson is the bigger and stronger guy and for once in bjs life he isn't the betetr ju jitsu guy, prime for prime it is ahrd to call if bj can keep it standing he wins big if rickson can take him down it is a hard fight to judge,

 

BJ, Ground and Pound has evolved so much in the last decade; its become an art of its own, and BJ is very, very good. Add to that stand up striking and stand up grappling (takedowns/defense) and I don't see BJ losing.

 

GSP vs BJ on Jan 31,superbowl weekend from Vegas.Go GSP>:thumbsup

 

BJ, due to his striking being alot better than Rickson's.

 

Penn is one of my favorite fighters. I rank him higher than Rickson with my all time mma fighters, because he has accomplished more in what mma has become. MMA is a different contest now as opposed to that of Rickson. It is even different now than when Royce burst on the scene. Now; there are time limits, stand-ups, and round systems.

That being said, I see no way for Penn to win this fight. Rickson would not try to outbox Penn. Rickson would get this fight to a clinch, and go to the ground one way or another. Penn is better than most will ever be at Jiu Jitsu. Rickson Gracie is better at Jiu Jitsu than most will ever be at anything.

I'll concede that Rickson's game may not mean absolute victory against some of today's fighters under today's mma rules. Some opponents are going to be to good to be outpointed using Rickson's tactics in the ruled filled world of today's fighting. Penn is not big and strong enough to keep him off.

Rickson by submission.

 

Totally agree, Rickson at his best isn't enough to beat BJ, don't forget BJ has fought bigger men and is not afraid to be the smaller man. I honestly don't see why people even consider Rickson an all-time great. A pioneer yes, all-time great argueable.

 

Rickson would get smashed by Penn because you think Kerr could do it? How big do you think Penn is?

The organization that became Pride was created by the Japanese to search for a fighter to defeat Rickson Gracie. Mainly, a Japanese fighter. Jiu Jitsu is an art that originated in Japan. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu had become all the rage. If a Japanese fighter could defeat Rickson, Japan could reclaim superiority of their art.

Rickson proved himself the best in his country time and again. You may be able to question his accomplishments in mma encounters set under today's conditions. You cannot question his bjj achievments. Rickson bested anyone ever put in front of him in that regard.

That quote is about a 45+ year old Rickson Gracie.

 

It would look like GSP Serra 2. Only time Rickson is on the ground is when hes on his put back eating elbows and punches if Penn chooses to put him there. Guys like Sherk and Hughes can barely if at all take Penn down, Ricksons takedowns were not that great.

 

Rickson is bigger and stronger than BJ, so I don't see any comparisons whatsoever between Serra and GSP. They had standup grappling just as well back in Rickson's time, that was the point of BJJ, to be able to fight all styles under any circumstances. BJ has the better standup for sure, but in a grappling sense even he's outclassed here by the bigger, stronger, better jiu jitsu expert. Would be interesting, but I'm not going to rule Rickson out unless we're talking someone like Fedor, who could easily nullify his skills with power and ferocity.

 

you mean with his sambo right?