I am a bjj hater. There we go, I said it. Also, I have a major problem with people saying it's the best, most complete, most efficient, etc. form of self defense. That is ignorant because A. 'Like anyone could ever know that, Napoleon...' B. An actual fight is so random and full of uncertainty that there can't be a best martial art for all fights. But if I had to choose, I'd go with judo. It's got everything bjj has, the sparring is more realistic, and the option of stopping the fight with a throw has to be respected, even in multiple-attacker situations. In judo, you train to stay upright as much as possible. You avoid going to the ground, and when you do go to the ground, it's typically because you expect to gain a crucial advantage or an instant win by doing so (i.e. I throw the guy and go down with him to increase the force). In BJJ, you train to go to the ground asap, and the throws are used more as takedowns than as damaging techniques. Both arts are incomplete in that they lack a striking element. Yes, they both teach strikes, but they don't practice them often and they don't do so in full-contact sparring situations. Judo is closer, however, because the throws are designed to be fight-enders and are practiced as such. Anyhow, a person who trains seriously in any martial art, be it boxing, bjj, MMA, krav maga, or whatever is going to beat almost anybody they get into a fight with. It's pretty rare that a BJJ black belt gets into a barfight with a pro boxer, isn't it? Normally when you have the kind of discipline it takes to get to that level, you don't go around pissing people off and fighting them. But yeah. BJJ is vastly overrated as a self-defense system. VASTLY.
for starters your talking about mma, where both guys are locked in a cage trying to win. im talking about self defence. as in one guy is attacking and the other guy is trying to defend himself. at the beach or in a park or something. no time limits. no ref. just you and the other guy.
overated?? I train in judo and i can tell you take the gi off your average judo player and hes just fit guy with good balance and timing. thats why i train in it. Also a throw is not going to be a fight stopper in most cases. especially when the adrenalin is flowing or one guys had a few to drink. dont believe me? you only need look at rugby type sports where players are not just thrown but routinely SLAMMED into the ground by multiple assailants only to get up and do it again anywhere up to 25-30 times.
I somewhat agree just because look at the champions in each division, you will not find one that is a BJJ first fighter. But at the same time, you have to be proficient in it to be utilize your preferred discipline.
Yeah, totally. What the hell do Navy S.E.A.L.S, Special Forces, F.B.I Agents, and other elite military and Law Enforcement Officers know...those ******s.
Primary? I think you've been hit on the head, which makes your no-brain responses hilarious. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is so effective that it's mandatory training for all the groups that I listed above. Every single one. Now, for advanced fighting units is it their primary? Of course not, don't be naive. (Or you're just being argumentative for the arguments sake) That take techniques from BJJ and augment it with other tactics and techniques. They, in a sense, make it their own with their own ideas and moves to fit ideally with what they're trying to achieve, which is either control or something lethal. Primary? Probably not. But, out of all the individual martial art disciplines they could possibly be using, they use BJJ, and it's not an accident. Now what they're probably learning, which is more effective for the type of situations that they're likely to come across, is something like Krav Maga. And...good luck winning a fight with one of those guys.
They learn BJJ from legitimate BJJ instructors, which are usually of a high "prestige" in the BJJ world. What they do, to my knowledge, is they learn what the instructors teach them, but also ask questions that would apply moreso to their purpose, and they'd go from there. They take BJJ and work with it. Or they're hired from by the combat officers and they go in with BJJ that is tailored to a more combat oriented situations. Traditional BJJ is far more for defense and in defense of martial art. It's better then any other at allowing for control of a situation and minimizing damage received and given, almost regardless of size and strength. The military uses the techniques and philosophies of BJJ because it's remarkable at control in an enormous varity of situations. That's the idea. Even some EMTs use very, very basic BJJ stuff. The pressing of a wrist lock is commonly used to gain control of an unruly person.
Something tells me that you haven't practiced BJJ in a real setting with a legitimate instructor because of everything that you've said. Because if you had, then most of what you said you know would go right out the window. I'll respnd more in-depth tomorrow (errr...later today, depending on your time zone) but I have to get some rest for tonight.
