Blame the system

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Beouche, Jul 31, 2015.


  1. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    Boxers like Ward Floyd Manny Stevenson Garcia play the system cause they can

    Easiest most risk free fights possible, using (where relevant) their A side to cripple their opponents

    Not every boxer is gonna be a Marquez, a Froch, a Morales, a Gatti

    It's the system that needs changed

    If you were Ward and you could make decent money NOT fighting Kovalev - would you be in hurry to step up and fight him?

    If you were Floyd and you could get ridiculous money NOT fighting GGG would you be in a hurry to step up and fight him?

    We can call them cowards, pussies, but the system allows for it, so they take advantage of it

    Nothing will change unless there is a mass uprising amongst the fans. But the vast majority are too apathetic to really do anything about it, and so nothing will change
     
  2. Limerickbox

    Limerickbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You really expect Floyd to fight GGG?
    Like its some obvious fight that should be made??
     
  3. Zimornsky

    Zimornsky King Fluid IV = CHEAT banned

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    Roidquez blatantly ducked Khan (he would spark Khan EASY), Provodnikov, and Rios. Said that they brought nothing to to the table. Then he went on to fight Alvarado.
     
  4. fatcity

    fatcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As long as these boxing organizations collect their sanction fees of the top money makers the elite boxers can do anything they want.It ALL about money-not the sport.
     
  5. Cap10Kirk

    Cap10Kirk Active Member Full Member

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    It's hard to blame them when you understand what the VAST MAJORITY of these fighter go through most of their careers. These fighters shed blood, sweat, and tears for PEANUTS!! When they get to the point where they are making some money, they want to maximize that window. These boxers have families. One $300k payday does NOT make a career. 30 seconds of glory doesn't pay the bills. And not one fan has put an ex boxer's kids through college. That's just another perspective. A LOT OF CHANGE IS NEEDED IN BOXING.
     
  6. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But all of these guys have fought plenty of quality opposition. And why does Floyd have to go up in weight to fight Golovkin, and Ward have to go up in weight to fight Kovalev(by the way, Ward and Kovalev's camps have discussed a fight between the two)?
     
  7. FAT_TONEY

    FAT_TONEY Active Member Full Member

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    No. A system is always built on the people that make it work, on all levels, and when fighters at the level where Floyd, Stevenson, Garcia, Khan etc... are at, they are major players in that system (along greedy promothers, TV networks etc.. of course).

    At the end of the day, the fighters on that level have a say on who they will fight or not. If a guy like Stevenson takes the easy route instead of taking the one meaningful fight out there for him, it's not the systems fault, it's his own decision. We might not judge his motivation behind that, but he's definitely responsible for his own choice.

    The Durans, Haglers, Hearns, Leonard fought each other, they won some and lost some, and even with the losses they still were bigger stars than todays top fighters (with the exception of Floyd maybe, and Manny in Asia). Maybe even because of the losses. They put their stamp on boxing, they shaped the system in their era.

    If a fighter like Stevenson chooses to face Kovalev and puts on a good fight, he'll step out of the ring a bigger star than when he entered it, win or lose.
     
  8. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Fans today have to demand better ..How many fans talk about well he doesn't bring any money to the table ..Fans are getting caught up with the business side just as much as the boxers ..
     
  9. GolovKing

    GolovKing ESB Since 2006 Full Member

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    Why wouldn't we ask Floyd to fight GGG? The best welter and the best middle have fought in nearly every generation.

    Why wouldn't we expect GGG to fight Ward? The best middleweight has fought the best light heavy/super middleweight many times.

    Why wouldn't we expect Rigo to fight Loma?

    Shall I keep going?

    The best in each weight class should step up and test themselves vs bigger men when they have proven to the public (at least for the most part) that they are the best in their most comfortable weight class.
     
  10. GolovKing

    GolovKing ESB Since 2006 Full Member

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    Truth.

    We decide what fights are acceptable by giving our time and money to the events. If nobody shows up or watched cr appy matchups, we will probably get a lot less of them.
     
  11. Limerickbox

    Limerickbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why should we ask a 38 year old guy to fight someone who outweighs him by 20lbs?
    Really??

    Should Cotto fight Ward too?

    Where does it end? If Floyd beats GGG, should he then "Step up" and fight Ward?

    He's already 'stepped up" in weight 4 times!
     
  12. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    Edward Bernays everybody. You all need to learn what propaganda is and how it affects your everyday thinking. Mostly all of this is by design since back when the mafia was rigging fights and crowning champions.
     
  13. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    Yep. But then the same people find offense in GGG fighting Ward. IDK
     
  14. GolovKing

    GolovKing ESB Since 2006 Full Member

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    Floyd has proven himself to be the best welter for 10 years and the best jr middleweight since 2012. He could easily force GGG to a 155lb catchweight so it's over jr middle and a rehydration clause of 160. Even with those adjustments, he could beat GGG and do something historically thats on par with the top 20 of all time.

    He does call himself The Best Ever, right? It's not that big of a jump.

    Regarding Cotto fighting Ward or even Floyd fighting Ward, I think we all know Ward beats them. There is a point where enough is enough, even you know that, sir. Floyd can beat GGG at middleweight and I think the hardcore boxing public would like to see it. More so than any other matchup that Floyd could give us.
     
  15. GolovKing

    GolovKing ESB Since 2006 Full Member

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    Please do not count me as one of them.