Bob Arum in May 2009: "Mayweather (vs Pac) would be at a catch weight, 144-145"

How much smaller is he these days really? He probably walks around in the high 150s, Floyd somewhere around 160. Throw out the "natural flyweight" BS and his natural weight class is much closer to Floyd's old 130. And he's stopping bona fide welterweights.

This catchweight junk is a crutch he could drop easily without it being "unfair" to him.

Fortunately it's more of a negotiation tactic at this point, but look at all the useless ill will against him that it creates. Enough is enough, 147 is his weight class. If he feels he's faster coming in at 145, he can come in at 145.

 

I was referring to Pacquiao moving up 3 divisions in 2 years if he fights Floyd in early 2010. From 130 in early 2008 to 147 in early 2010. And that was in response to pauliemayweather's obvious double-standard.

Pac's last fight was at a catchweight of 145. Cotto was drained a little but he had the advantage of fighting a much smaller fighter. The 145 pound catchweight was a fair middle ground. I would even say that it was in favour of Cotto. But Pacquiao won the fight because he is the much better fighter.

Before that Pacquiao fought Hatton in May 2009, about 6 months ago. He was at 138. His trainer even said he had a meal on the day of the weigh-in (take it or leave it). Even in that fight at JrWW, Pacquiao was outweighed, but once again the better fighter won the fight because the gap in ability was just that big.

Before that Pacquiao fought Oscar at WW. He was a lightweight who moved up 2 divisions to 147. Oscar was a JrMW who moved down 1 division to WW. Before the fight people still thought that Oscar was the one with the advantage, but after the fight people say that Pac was the one with the advantage. I think the fight was fought on fair ground. Oscar was drained but Pac was really much smaller. However Oscar is past it at this point, and once again the much better fighter won the fight.

Against Floyd, though I consider that Pacquiao is a better fighter, the gap is not as big as with the previous 3 cases. If they fight at 145, Floyd will have to drain a little and once again Pacquiao will be fighting at a weight well above his natural weight. That pretty much evens the playing field. I'd even say 144 would be the ideal weight for this fight.

If they fight at 140 or 147, then we don't know if the better fighter will win the fight. But if they fight in the middle, where each fighter has an advantage over the other (Mayweahter draining, Pacquiao small), then there's a much much bigger chance that the better fighter wins the fight.

I don't see how anyone can see it differently. And these 3 points explain my reasoning:

If Pacquiao is a real WW, then the catchweight is as big a disadvantage for Pac as it is for Floyd.

If Pac is not a real WW, then fighting at 147 gives Floyd the advantage.

If Floyd is not a real WW either, then fighting at a catchweight is not a disadvantage for either guy.

 

Or the diamond belt,since Floyd has no title.

 

DLH is shot,remember?

 

Manny is now a small welterweight.

Floyd was a small welterweight who has matured into being an average sized welterweight.

Weight divisions and weight limits have never guaranteed that both men will be exactly the same size in the ring, only that they are similar enough in size to make competition fair. All things considered, talent, power, backgrounds, etc., a fight between Floyd and Manny at a weight limit of 147 pounds is fair to both fighters. There is no reason Manny must weigh 147, if he is better at 145, he can weigh in at 145.

There should be no risk that a fight of this magnitude is marred by one fighter being severely weakened by weight loss. This is where someone always jumps in and says "it's just a pound, it shouldn't matter", but that argument goes the other way also.

In your own words, the better fighter should be able to prove himself without the weight mattering. 147 guarantees that weight will not be the story of the fight. 145 doesn't.

 

deal

 

In my own words? or are you talking about someone else?

Cause my own words were that at 147 we don't know if the better fighter will win the fight because one fighter will be bigger than the other.

 

:good good post

 

holy **** you killing them with this post

 

they never think about that

 

It's too bad no one who has some say in the catchweight deal gives a damn about the debates here.

 

Don't give such good points. The *******s won't know how to answer.

 

**** that...floyd should tell his ass 146...floyd want it at 147 and pac want it at 145....146 to meet in the middle

 

Pac is a Jr.WW, who is good enough to win a WW title and knock out 2 WW's (1 WW and 1 JrMW fighting at WW).

He's so good that he's better than the other WW's even though he is a Jr.WW. I know its hard for you guys to understand that but those are the facts.

He weighed in at 138 just 6 months ago, and had an easy time making weight. During his training camp for his fight at 145, half the talk was about how they had to feed him 5 times a day to keep the weight on.

So no, those points are not good, and they might be hard to answer for the *******s, but for a true boxing fan thay are easy.

 

this post= owning of anyone that agrees to this catch weight bull****....floyd walk around prolly 159 or so and pac around 151...the damn fight can be made at 147....he is a ww with a ww belt