Bob Arum Thinks Fury-Wilder 2 Will Match Pac-May In PPV Buys...

I would expect this to do more ppv than the first fight.

 

It could do Lewis v Holyfield type numbers

Floyd vs Pac done 5M buys. That likely won't ever happen again.

 

The idea was that the cable TV providers (and not ESPN) were to advertise the fight. Because they were allegedly scared that otherwise PPVs will die out completely (as UFC switching to ESPN+ — a streaming service).

Well, it seems those cable TV providers did a poor job. Either they were not scared enough, or their greed were stronger than their fear.

 

I wonder if Arum would pull the same garbage he did in his proposed China fight card with this? cancel it the day of the fight because he was going to lose money?

The irony is that it was likely the strongest top to bottom card he had put together---for a guy notorious for absolutely weak undercards.

Can you imagine the damage to the sport that kind of thing would have in today's boxing environment?

 

Wilder fury 1 did what? 325k. Lol.

And that had all the media attention with fury going on about his alcohol recovery.

Nobody gives a **** if you’re in the media. People buy when they’re invested in the characters. Nobody really gives a **** about fury or wilder, very few hardcore fans.

Pac and Floyd had such huge support with emotional investment in their careers, terms were made for them. *****s and *******s.

It does 600k at best. If they think some fan is gonna she’ll out $100 because he saw an interview of fury on TV then lol.

 

Whats funny about it?

Spence vs Garcia did 360 and those two guys are on the P4P list.

Crawford is ranked #2 and he sold 100K against Khan

Loma is #1 and he fights non PPV bouts on regular Espn.

325k is a good number.

 

I can see where he's coming from, and with some good promotion we might see it around the 1 million mark. 4 million isn't happening. Especially when illegal streaming is increasing massively. Technology may end up being the death of big PPV numbers, and maybe even PPV itself in the end.

The numbers that Mayweather-Pacquiao did don't exist anymore.

 

I would expect around 500k, be surprised if it was closer to a million than that number but you never know I guess.

 

It’s funny because arum thinks 325k ppv buys = 4mil buys in the rematch.

And that’s poor considering how much media they had. Fury was all over TV. Those p4p boxers barely get mainstream tv if at all. Yet it don’t make a difference to ppv.

 

Illegal streaming was around already in Pac/May era.

Basically both Canelo and Pac individually were far bigger stars than even Canelo is today. So you get 2 global and ppv stars together on a rivalry that’s been brewing for 6 years and they’re considered the 2 best of the last 20 years and that’s what you get.

They would easily do 4mil again in this era if they had the same popularity.

We’re not seeing similar numbers because there’s no similar stars. Canelo golovkin did over a mil so that proves ppv market is the same.

 

PPV? It still exists?

 

The Bobfather needs to take his medication. I say that with affection and respect. It will do good business but not sure it will do up to 1 Million pay per view buys. ESPN is doing a good job building his profile though. If AJ beats Ruiz Junior in their rematch then that is the fight that will be mega AJ vs Fury. Ironic 2 Brits. AJ sold out MSG and Fury sold out the MGM by comparison Wilder is a relatively poor draw.

 

Let's see what numbers Wilder vs. Ortiz will do. Floyd would have done an easy 600-700k against someone of Ortiz' 'calibre'. I would be quite surprised if Wilder did more than 150k vs Ortiz.

 

I think PPV is pretty much dead, it is for me anyways. I work 40 hours per week and 100$ is a lot of money for me as it is for most of the working class. Don't believe me, ask 10 of your friends to GIVE you 100$ and see how many gladly give it to you. If it was an insignificant amount you'd end up with a grand and nobody to pay back... I'll wait.

When the jump was made from basically 60 or 70 bucks ( still kind of expensive but bearable ) to 100$ I opted out of the PPV model. It takes me 15 to 20 years to get a salary increase of 40% but boxing business expects you to accept an increase on PPV fees gladly. It's just too much money and I respect my casual boxing fans / friends too much to invite them over to help subsidize my obsession. I actually don't know how an avid boxing fan can watch with casuals. They have no insight, rarely know what they are seeing and barely understand the context in witch a PPV is being held or the sport itself really. There is no product value guarantee. Often times these so called super bouts are real stinkers with equally matched fighters on Friday Night Fights often putting on better shows. The risk outweighs the reward. Pay per view once upon a time meant no commercials but the greedy sobs even reneged on that promise with recent PPVs being rife with advertising, I think Alvarez v Golovkin had liquor ads.

The population explosion has created a large enough casual fan base that promoters are rewarded greatly for providing a sub par product.

The only way PPV numbers hit over 4 million is if they charge 10 bucks for it, and even then I think they fall short by a couple million.

 

Mayweather did 1.25 mil against Victor Ortiz. So no, not 600-700k.

Nobody today including Canelo is anywhere close to May/Pac level of ppv cash cows. 1 mil+ was the norm for them.