Bob Fitzsimmons In other Eras? How Do You Think He Fares?

I'm talking about the best guys from top boxing gyms, but I'm not familiar with their names.

 

Well if carrying your gloves around the top of your shorts ( as Fitz did for almost all the fight we see) isn't wide open , then describe to me what is please buddy stay safe guys.

 

So in your opinion someone like Tommy Loughran or Tony Canzoneri was wide open as well?

 

Correlation does not imply causation.

 

So you would as you stated "be willing to bet my house he doesn't stand a chance against any decent amateur" even though you are not familiar with their names, as the saying goes "fools and their money are soon parted"

Amateurs who do not fight past 3 rounds, fighting Bob Fitzsimmons a 3 weight division world champion pro under professional rules, oh yeah Mr Fitzsimmons would be quaking in his boots.

 

I don't need to know their names, I've been to gyms and seen them box, they are vastly superior.
And they spar/box countless rounds, not just 3.
Plus, all they need is 1 round and they'll KO Fitzsimmons.

 

Why is this guy so ridiculously overrated in this forum ? This magical 'one shot one kill' power myth that surrounds him is so blown out of proportion that I wouldn't be surprised if people start claiming **** like "he could KO Lennox ****ing Lewis cold if Lewis gets cocky". In reality he'd be lucky to survive one round against a journeyman fighter in the modern era.

 

What?

 

Well said

 

Hi Buddy.
So, a direct answer to your question, and also my opinion would be Yes , furthermore it would seem to myself, that any fighter that carries his gloves around waist/navel height , could be called has having a wide open stance, including the illustrious champs you mention, and probably many more.
It may well be that said fighters have the head movement, and reflexes to avoid some blows, which of course they do in some cases, but it still remains that the gloves are not at chest or shoulder level to form some semblance of a guard/defense of a fighter that did employ these tactics, that's the way I see this , maybe my view is distorted or maybe I am at the embryo stage of dementia .
Stay safe 70s always enjoy your verbal jousts.

 

FFS.

Being bigger does not enable a boxer to absorb shots more easily, because you can't put muscles on chins.

Even if it did, Fitzsimons opponents would have to make the same weight as him, so it is hard to see them being that much bigger.

 

Well at least you remember the name of the boxer who would win against these nameless amateurs, namely Fitzsimmons.

 

You've found a friend! Thank God!

 

Don't disagree with anything you say, Bukkake. So why ask? Primarily, because it is -- well, can be -- fun to speculate and argue. But also there's a sense that some guys came along at a great time for their particular assets/liabilities, some excelled somewhat despite the conditions of their time, and different fighters, comparably great at a particular moment, might have 'travelled' better or less well than others, do to the breadth of narrowness of their particular assets.

Now, as to Ruby Robert -- in his day, we was a guy who could pole-ax, he could beat'em'pulpy, he was (usually) well conditioned, he was cited for recuperative powers, he was said to have all punches potent and good order, a good judge of distance and accurate, a fellow who didn't discourage easily. If he wasn't superfast or clever or technical, he certainly moved fairly well and was a decent boxer by the standards of his day, and he generally knew the best approach to take with his opponents and had a good sense of when to grind and when to go for it, and could be both an opportunist and also a fellow who could stay the course. He could only go so long with Jeffries, but that was a very big size pull against another very good attritionist. If there'd been a light heavy weight title throught his career (rather than just the very end), he might well have reigned as long as Louis did at heavyweight. So, if a fellow with Bob's natural assets (and liabilities) had come along in another day, and developed _in ratio to the opportunities of that day as Bob Fitzsimmons did in his own day_ , I would hardly be shocked if that boxer were very, very successful. Even today. Heavyweight champ? I don't know about that!!! Maybe _that_ would be a surprise ...... But I don't think any success short of that -- as I've qualified the surmise -- would surprise me.