Bob Fitzsimmons on Jeffries versus Johnson, one day after the fight

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Jeffries was not there. He looked great. I never saw him looking better; but he left his vitality on the road. He worked himself out training for thisi fight and when he got into the ring it was without his vim.

    He wasn't even a quarter of the man he was when he went against me. It was the most pitiful sight I have ever seen to see that man, once the greatest of us all, lying feebly on the floor trying weakly to get up. I felt so sorry at the spectacle that I cried like a baby. I felt like leaping into the ring. If I Johnson had met the Jeffries I had met there would have been a different story to tell. But there's no use in speaking as to what might have happened. It is all over now.

    In the first round I thought Jeffries had the shade better of it but he did not display the aggression I expected of him. I thought he would rush Johnson. The second and third rounds were about the same and I kept waiting for Jeffries to display his old tactics, the irresistable tactics that beat me. After the fourth, I realised that Jeffries was not Jeffries any longer.

    As far as Johnson is concerned, I say, the king is dead, long live the king. He is a big, strong, clean fighter with a powerful punch. He is one of the cleverest fighters we ever had. I used to think he was only a defensive fighter. He showed today he was an offensive fighter. When he wants to be he can be terribly aggressive. I believe that if he had forced the fighting it would not have gone further than the fourth.

    But Johnson works along his own plans. He fought a clever, cool and masterly battle. He made me change my opinion of him as a fighter.

    I don't think there is a man in the wolrd that would have a chance against Johnson in the ring. But he was a weakling compared to the Jeffries of old. He is a terrific hitter, a clever blocker, and one of the most dangerous aggressive fighters the ring has ever seen.
     
  2. mr. magoo

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    Interesting stuff. Thanks McGrain.

    The tone of the testimony does come accross as being pretty sincere, and I don't think Fitz had anything to gain from being untruthful.
     
  3. mcvey

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    Very intruiging post Mac, especially Fitz's opinion that Jack could have ended it early ,I tend to agree with this. Suprised to see Fitz rated Johnson's power that highly, but he was there, I wasn't.
    Of course Jeffries was the original" hollow shell" in this fight,prime for prime it would have been a battle, imo.
     
  4. McGrain

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    Various small stories that appear in the press in the following days:

    WHITE MEN SHOOT TWO NEGROES IN NEW ORLEANS

    James Lee and Emil Thompson, two negroes, were shot and seriously wounded by two white men here last night. The white men approached with the decleration, "Johnson won, but we'll get even with all n*ggers." They then began to fire.

    Leen and Thompson will recover.





    JOHNSON'S MOTHER SAYS HE WILL RETIRE FROM RING

    Tiny Johnson, mother of Jack Johnson, announced late today that the champion would retire immediatly. "Arthur told me positively that he would whip Jeffries and remove all possibility of the slightest dispute, then quit fighting. He promised me. He said he would quit so I believe he will."




    ONE HUNDRED WHITE AND BLACK RIOTERS IN COURT [Philadelphia]

    More than 100 whites and blacks appeared in front of the magistrate today, many of them wearing bandages and other evidences of the affray which followed Johnson's victory in Reno. As a rule disturbers of the peace were released with a fine, but those more seriously involved in the riots were held in jail for short sentences.

    It was a wild night amongst the rought element of the coloured neighbourhood but no-one was seriously hurt either in rioting or in the hilarios celebrations.

    The trouble was not confined to any given part of the city, fights breaking out nearly everywhere.
     
  5. he grant

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    GReat piece. Where was it from ?
     
  6. McGrain

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    I think it was in The San Francisco Call.
     
  7. timmers612

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    It reminds me of Ali, slimmed down, as a shell also against Holmes.
     
  8. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great find. Thanks for posting.
     
  9. HomicideHenry

    HomicideHenry Many Talents, No Successes Full Member

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    Many of the old-timers, black and white, honestly believed that Johnson stood little chance against Jeffries. Langford, who dodged Jeffries in his prime, still held on to the view that if Jeffries was even half the man he was in his prime, he'd still been able to defeat Johnson. Jess Willard, in the 1960's, claimed that Jeffries would have beaten Johnson H2H in their primes. It wasnt just Fitzsimmon's opinion, or even public opinion/hope, there was an honest belief that Johnson would lose. It must have been terrifying, truly stunning, to audiences across the world that Jeffries lost to Johnson.
     
  10. Flea Man

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    Fascinating thread McGrain, and savage new avatar :lol:

    Going to Thailand in April and there is a place where there are shitloads of Bengal Tigers AND Alligators and Crocodiles..............I was thinking the other day 'whom would I make favourite'? Your avi has put a spanner in the works :lol:
     
  11. mcvey

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    When Jeffries retired in 1905,Langford weighed 150lbs,he was fighting lightweights like Dave Holly,Young Peter Jackson, George McFadden,and Jack Blackburn..taking on Joe Jeanette he was stopped in 8rds..
    As late as 1906 he only weighed 156lbs for a bout with the 185lbs Jack Johnson,a fight in which he got a shellacking being dropped twice and having his nose broke.
    Is it surprising that the 5' 7'' 150lbs Langford did not want to mix it with the 6' 2 1/2'' 220lbs Jeffries ?
     
  12. HomicideHenry

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    Langford fought taller, heavier men than Jeffries, like Bill Tate on a regular basis. It wasnt a matter of size, it was a matter of ability. Langford didn't have the ability to stop Jeffries.
     
  13. mcvey

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    Langford didnt fight Tate until 1916 ELEVEN YEARS AFTER Jeffries had retired.Langford scaled 198lbs to Tate's 226lbs.Sam didn't get taller ,he just got fatter.
    By the way it was a draw.Tate was a sparring partner for Dempsey and NEVER top flight.
    Langford was NOT a true heavyweight and lost as often as he won against the top ranking heavies.
    In 1905 it ,WAS A MATTER OF SIZE.
    Langford had as much ability as Jeffries, in fact I think he had considerably MORE.
     
  14. Mendoza

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    Correct. Sam in those days had limited experience at heavyweight, and had not developed into his 170-185 pound " boston terror " body.

    I do agree with Fitzsimmons that Jeffries woudl have won in a 1905-1906 match. I also agree with Fitz that Johnson was an improved fighter by 1910.

    Most of the top fighters, including Johnson himself said Jeffries was the greatest.
     
  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    From what I can pick up Jeffries was thought of more highly than Sullivan. In fact that deserves it's own thread.