Bob Fitzsimmons vs. Jack Johnson

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Who wins?
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Jack Johnson won!
     
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  3. mcvey

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    I back Jack but it would not be the fight they actually had, when Fitz was little more than a relic.

    Even Johnson ,no shrinking violet, said he took no credit for that fight.
    For the record Johnson rated Fitz as better than every champion up to ,and including Tunney, pretty high praise!
     
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  4. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Johnson wins,prime for prime.
     
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  5. Flea Man

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    Any chance of some links that stuff mate, sounds interesting :good
     
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  6. mcvey

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  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I could also see Johnson going in for the clinch, Bob shifting and coldcocking him.
     
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  8. cross_trainer

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    Johnson was just as clunky and primitive as Jeffries, McVey, and Fitzsimmons were.
     
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  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Prime Fitz would be the hardest puncher Johnson ever faced. And a very crafty one as well. If Ketchel could put him on the canvas, Fitz would put him through it.
     
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  10. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Johnson probably schools him like Corbett actually did but busts him up more along the way before stopping him
     
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  11. DaveK

    DaveK Vicious & Malicious Full Member

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    Johnson spoils and wins a decision.

    And I doubt Fitz would be the hardest puncher Johnson ever faced. I'd bet Choynski hit harder.
     
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  12. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Well, yes. I didn't say that Jeffries and co. were superior to Johnson either. It's just that I occasionally see people claiming that Johnson was some sort of modern slickster when he wasn't.

    It puts him on equal terms in the sense that they're all primitive, but not in the sense that they all have identical styles. Johnson's uppercut would threaten a crouching Jeffries a lot more than a spindly counterpuncher like Fitzsimmons, for instance.

    And yes, Johnson's size is an advantage.
     
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  13. cross_trainer

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    Johnson wasn't very mobile, though. Harder hitting than Corbett and a great defensive fighter for his time, but not mobile.
     
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  14. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I agree with the first part.

    I disagree with the second part. Choynski was a hard puncher, no doubt, but Fitz was freakishly powerful, perhaps the all-time hardest lb for lb puncher. In an era of no decision bouts, he was refreshingly emphatic. He just KO'd everyone, and as he aged, got KO'd by some. And, well, he did stop Choynski.
     
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  15. cross_trainer

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    Corbett also had freaky-fast reflexes, but yeah, I see your point.

    Then again, Johnson didn't move like Corbett did, and a Fitz vs. Johnson match would be counterpuncher vs. counterpuncher. Whoever can sucker the other more consistently will win it, since both men had the power to hurt the other, but both were reasonably durable.
     
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