Bob Foster vs. JJW and Charles

kingfisher3 · Jul 14, 2016

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Charles regularly bat up ranked contenders at heavyweight, won the lineal title, and defended it eight times!

That is not a clear advantage; it is an attack on the legitimacy of the entire question!
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what they did against other men is close to irrelevant in the context of two atg's that we have on film imo. the question is not about who beat more ranked hw's, it is not who was champion, it is two men of similar size, both atg's, in a fantasy fight, and i just can't see any justification for making either man a significant fav.

how do you envisage charles winning easily? a big ko? seems unlikely, roughhousing him? not big enough, untroubled ud? maybe, but he needs to overcome reach, height, power and maybe also handspeed disadvantages for 15 rounds to do that.
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janitor · Jul 15, 2016

kingfisher3 said: ↑

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20+ fight jones stopped him in his 10th fight.
hometown 50 fight mina won a decision in his 13th.

then we have 15 years where he didn't lose to a man below 200lbs.

then we might have the loss to unweighed nobody, depends on weights, possibly due to a broken hand too.

2, maybe 3, out of prime losses is not exactly the lifetime of failure you are painting.
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The problem for me is that Foster never beat a Doug Jones type heavyweight.

While this does not mean that he couldnt, it does mean that we have to make a number of assumptions to infer that he could.

This makes in very hard to justify picking him over a great 185lb fighter, such as Ezzard Charles.
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janitor · Jul 15, 2016

kingfisher3 said: ↑

janitor said: ↑

what they did against other men is close to irrelevant in the context of two atg's that we have on film imo. the question is not about who beat more ranked hw's, it is not who was champion, it is two men of similar size, both atg's, in a fantasy fight, and i just can't see any justification for making either man a significant fav.

how do you envisage charles winning easily? a big ko? seems unlikely, roughhousing him? not big enough, untroubled ud? maybe, but he needs to overcome reach, height, power and maybe also handspeed disadvantages for 15 rounds to do that.
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I am not saying that it would be easy necessarily, but we ultimately have to jump one way or the other.

Given Fosters; lack of a signature win at heavyweight, and Charless outstanding record against quality heavyweights, I feel very strongly that Charles should be installed as the favourite here.
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