Bob Mee on Charley Burley

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  1. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Mine was the official quote i think. Interesting fighter, that's for sure.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Thanks very much ,for that! Burley's name should be kept alive on this forum .
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Well there's no one official one, that's sort of the point. Some of what I have:

    "Walter Winchell suggested Robinson should fight Burley and Robinson replied, 'Walter I thought you were my friend'" (My favourite!)

    "Oh, Burley finished Phil McQuillan. But that performance finished Charley in New York, too. He was to good that night. Nobody wanted him back after that. He was to good."

    Otty offers up this: "The legendary trainer often cited Burley as one of the greatest fighters he had ever seen," but again, there are no quotation marks, there is no source.
     
  4. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks for posting this...Nice info.
    Burley is a facinating fighter and seems such a humble man. His style just might have been Robinson's krytonite...it would have been very close. Burley's style and talent just may have been MORE than troublesome to alot of middleweight greats. I'm impressed with the footage of the older Burley against Oakland Smith.
    McGrain, do you have both the Otty and Rosenfeld books on Burley?
     
  5. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good thread. Burley is fun because he's got some killing wins over big names but he was avoided enough for us to have to speculate.

    Ezzard Charles' greatness was confirmed early in his win over Burley. Charles was just a kid. I do think that Ezzard's style (as well as Bivins') was a foil for him. Now when you consider that Robinson and Ezzard's style's were not dissimilar, I think that it is not too much to say that Robinson would be favored.
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Sure do. You?
     
  7. McGrain

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    Not an unfair position. But given that both Bivins and Charles are bigger men, whilst Robinson is around the same size, I suspect there would be a bit more to this one. Burley would be the puncher in any Robinson fight in a way that he was not against Bivins and Charles, who both carried some power all the way up to HW.
     
  8. Stonehands89

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    Sure, and I'd give you more than that: Burley would be the stronger man and not by a little. But Robinson would be wary of Burley, wisely so, and I see him boxing him like Bivins and Charles did with success. Robinson would compensate for the size/strength difference with serious speed and serious legs.

    Burley would be very much of a live underdog because he was awfully hard for a boxer to time. He was unorthodox, awkward, and those leaping shots were something else. Robinson would have to fight a conservative and careful fight -straight punching behind the jab for example. If he fought Burley the way he did Lamotta in 51, I'd favor Burley.
     
  9. Nemesis

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    One of the main reasons why Burley never 'made it' was because of his un-fan friendly style of fighting, he was predominantly a defensive spoiler.

    A question to some of the proper historians on this board: How high was Burley ranked (The Ring, of course) in a given division? and How long did he retain that ranking?
     
  10. McGrain

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    Well, his style varied with his opponent. It is far from true that he was a "predominantly a defensive spoiler". He fought in a very aggressive style against Moore and Burke fights for example, throwing masses of punches. His lack of success has far more to do with a reticent personality, very bad management and because he was fiercely ducked. Armstrong certainly should have fought him as champion, and Zivic's duck as champion is obscene.

    He was ranked highly at WW for a number of years, even after he was fighting predominantly at 160. I'll rake out the numbers tomorrow or the next day if no-one else produces them.
     
  11. Nemesis

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    Thank you :good
     
  12. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well...actually...no...Was thinking about getting one of them or maybe both. Are they different or fairly repetitive?
     
  13. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A Burley/Robinson go is a heck of a fight to envision...I see it as a close one all the way. I agree with you and McGrain that Charley is the stronger fighter, and Burley's power would be felt and definitely respected by Robinson...On the other hand, Robinson would have Burley's attention as well...Charley's serpentine swivel would throw off Robinson's timing, and Robinson's mobility are problematic for the Pittsburgher. If Burley attempted that leaping hook, he could possibly be countered very hard, against a quick handed puncher (left hook) like Robinson...and those looping rights that Burley threw could possibly be countered if Robinson slips that...Burley's body is wide open for an instant...Robinson had the capability to capitalize on such actions like lead right hands.
    Burley certainly has great tools and instincts I'm sure as well, like I said before I'm impressed with the film against Smith...The only reason I go with Robinson is that he is more offensively oriented, with the fight being very close. Another fight that really intrigues me is Monzon/Burley...What if Burley's movement is able to take away Monzon's dictating left jab?...What then?
     
  14. McGrain

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    Rossenfeld is stronger on the era in general and probably a little more even-handed. Otty is very strong on the Robinson duck but is probably overly sympathetic to Charley, the best example being his suggestion that Charles I may have been fixed. He doesn't really back that up, just sort of throws it out there, which irritated me.
     
  15. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks McGrain.:good