Bob Pastor vs Jerry Quarry

I'd answer Quarry to both questions.

Pastor was a smallish heavyweight even for his era and not much of a puncher and I just don't see him being able to keep Quarry off him for 15 rounds.That said Pastor has the skills to keep it tight but Quarry would enjoy a rare height and weight advantage and has a big edge in power which would eventually wear Pastor down for a late stoppage.

Quarry and Pastor were both just short of the absolute best of their era's but Jerry's era and resume is much the stronger.Pastors wins over Bivins and Lesenivich don't quite match Quarry's wins over Lyle,Shavers and Patterson imo.

 

:good:goodagreed on both points

 

I like Quarry .
Pastor would make things awkward for Jerry ,and would possibly be in front at the halfway stage ,but ,I think Quarry overhauls him.
The majority of Bob's wins were over ex light heavies and cruisers,Quarry would have a rare size advantage,and Conn stopped Pastor after flooring him earlier.
Quarry by late tko, or dec if Bob does his bicycle act.

 

I imagine it would be a close fight and it would go to a decision.
Pastor or Quarry, whoever you prefer.

 

Quarry...

 

I like Quarry here at some point to get to Bob, after a fustrating chase

 

This could become a cagey battle of wits. Jerry's main preference was to draw opponents into his counter punching hands, although he had excellent versatility, perhaps the best versatility of any top heavyweight of his day. He could stick and move, swarm, slug and counter punch. This diverse repertoire sometimes proved detrimental, as he was known to select the wrong approach from time to time. We have a good idea what Pastor would be likely to try. If Quarry pressured him with a dedicated body attack, as he opened up with in the first Frazier fight, he should be able to get Bob out of there in the late rounds. Pastor's best bet would be to tire a chasing Quarry and draw blood, but Jerry only lost once exclusively because of a cut. (The first Ali fight. He would have gotten stopped by Norton and in both matches with Frazier even if he had finished with an unmarked face.)

Jerry was more talented, Pastor more consistent. At their best, Quarry wins. Jerry could also lose on points if he outsmarts himself and tries to get cute.

 

Interesting matchup...I'd certainly give Pastor a better chance against Quarry than most others from the era. He was a one of a kind HW boxer(at the time) and would not play in to Jerry's hands like many from the era would...
Any Quarry fan(I'm one of the biggest) knows that he's always had problems with pure boxers(Machen, Ellis, Ali) and Pastor certainly fits that description. The one difference is that Pastor did not have the power or reach to do any noticeable damage to Jerry, who fought some huge punchers. I believe that Pastor's inability to hurt Quarry would keep this very dangerous opponent from ever being a real threat in this matchup.

With that said, I believe the Pastor from Louis-Pastor I would be a much bigger test for Quarry than most believe and the fight would go the distance, where Jerry wins a SD.

Excellent thread. This is a much better matchup than some of the others involving Quarry. :good

 

What's this an actual reasonable Quarry thread? I'm surprized it's not Bob Barker vs Jerry Quarry. The Bob Barker of Happy Gilmore would definitely KO Quarry, especially after adding 40 pounds through power lifting.

Seriously I like Quarry here. He's just flat out better. My only concern is that in title fights and most of his big fights something would also happen to Quarry and he'd lose. Whether it was cuts or brain lock (Ellis fight) he'd find a way to lose a lot of the time.

 

Pastor just fought to survive and make a point for his promoter Jimmy Johnson, how many punches did he throw in that footage?
Basically he stunk the joint out.He had that quality in common with Young
He was castigated in the press and, stung by the critcism, he stood his ground more in the return ,and was bounced like a ball.

 

Granted, Louis had him in a world of trouble early in their title fight, but I've always given Bob a world of credit for climbing off the deck multiple times to make a contest of it, even raising his arms in overconfident and premature anticipation of a points win at the bell ending the penultimate tenth round. Joe was not always an infallible finisher, as Pastor and Galento proved with their extraordinary recoveries. There was little margin for error with Louis, and Bob somehow overcame a career's worth of what should have been utterly fatal miscalculation in the opening two rounds of their championship showdown. This is an underrated knockout for Joe, as Pastor had really turned the tide after ten, with ten more rounds to go. Bob had screwed up, actually survived to learn from it to fight eight more rounds, yet still couldn't get the job done.

 

I agree that Pastor deserves credit for surviving the first two rounds against Louis. He thought he could prove the critics wrong by being more aggressive and almost got flattened for it.

This was not the only time Pastor climbed off the canvas to rally back into the fight. He did it against Jimmy Bivins twice, and most notably against Turkey Thompson when he was knocked down 6 times in round one only to come back to win a decision, twice knocking down Thompson in the process.

He's an underrated fighter in my opinion and somewhat of a gatekeeper to Louis's title. Hard-hitting Lem Franklin was campaigning for a title shot at Louis, having defeated several black contenders such as Jimmy Bivins, Curtis Sheppard, Eddie Blunt as well as Louis challengers Abe Simon and Tony Musto, but Pastor put an end to those plans. Franklin was never the same again.