Bodybuilding is necessary for boxing..

My post you quoted there is something wrong, I said that moving mass is unrelated to acceleration, that's not true. I meant velocity, not acceleration. Lifting weights helps you to overcome inertia more easily so that can help with acceleration, probably not applicable in boxing though.

 

sooo what i said about how lifting weights helps you accelerate weight more easily was correct.....but instead you made an incorrect post soley to prove me wrong?

 

I don't think that's how he meant it mate, pretty sure he was saying power is the product of speed and strength and he just used the slash to separate the two.

 

thats not how i saw it, but if thats what he ment i apologize for the correction.

 

I just had a look at that discussion and yes I said the wrong thing about acceleration, what I was trying to respond to was your claim about combo speed. I meant speed/velocity, not acceleration.

 

sounds good.

 

Thinking about it I may be wrong about that too, there's not alot of inertia to overcome in boxing, only the glove but that is still something so it may improve combo speed through increased acceleration by some tiny amount even if it's not noticeable, velocity is displacement divided by time after all. It would probably only make a difference if the person is exceptionally weak (can barely stand) and finds it hard to move a glove but still it's something to think about. But then you take into account the inertia of your bag or opponent. You don't have long to apply the force as you need to bring your hands back but if you could apply that force over greater periods of time you'll transfer more force and if your strength is good you'll overcome the inertia of whatever is in front of you. So your example of digging into something is correct in principle but not really practical with an opponent most of the time as you have minimal time to apply force and you always need to think about your next move. None of this counts for anything if it's done at a low speed. Thanks for getting me thinking Ylem, most of what you say is bull**** but in that thread you said some things worth paying attention to.

 

Velocity= speed
to be able to apply great "force" you need "strength"

Exactly what I said.

 

I used a slash to separate them. a dividie sign looks like

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where I come from?

 

Thanks

would the other side of your body have inertia? like as your pulling back a right the inertia of your left, or the inertia of the right side of your body as you pivot with a left hook? this is why i would think being stronger would help with combo speed.

 

sorry....where i come from multiplication signs look like * or X and sometimes they are implied like in x(y) and where i come from there is no

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on keyboards so we use /.

 

not really.

you use the word power and you said that with out strenght you have no pwer.....but on the same condition with out speed you have no power either just as with out mass you have no force and there for you have no power just as with out acceleration you have no force and thus have no pwer.

really in the end i apologized for the correction while my origional post expanded upon what you originally said with out bias. i dont see what your problem is.

 

if you have big muscles you need oxygen to have those muscles working and the bigger the muscles the more oxygen you need and if you bodybuild you get big useless muscles that drains your stamina

 

I wouldn't say so, that would be more action-reaction resulting from angular momentum of the segments rotating around different axis in the transverse plane, it's a passive process that should happen naturally if balance and body alignment is correct and muscle activation is in the correct sequence. The side that you are actively moving around the axis should be overcoming inertia, the opposite side is just along for the ride. Stability of the core muscles is what you want as it allows efficiency of movement around the main axis, it allows you to decrease angular momentum more easily when required.
This is just my understanding again, I could be wrong in some detail.

 

Supremo is right, if you can move mass you have force and the more mass you can move the greater your force will be as you are overcoming inertia and accelerating the mass at some point. If you can only accelerate something very light with fast acceleration the total force generated is going to be less then heavy mass at low acceleration. You can increase the mass you move far more than you can increase acceleration of any weight so overcoming mass is the important part in that equation. Out and out strength is what gets force high, the other part of the power equation is every bit as important as force you are right, slow speeds render force worthless.
Speed and strength, that is what you need for power. One without the other is going to limit power.
Research has actually shown that power output is highest at 30% of 1RM and 30% of maximum velocity. This is the basis for suggesting that lifting at 30-60% of your 1RM as fast as you can could actually increase power. There are issues with deceleration of weights but it's something to think about.