BOLD PREDICTION: In the next 12-18 months Billy Joe Saunders becomes P4P #1

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  1. Paranoid Android

    Paranoid Android Manny Pacquiao — The Thurmanator banned Full Member

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    Because to become the P4P King, you have to exhibit elite level skills consistently and I just don't think Lee nor Lemieux are benchmarks to make that prediction on. Lemieux took a savage beating from GGG and is as one dimensional as it gets. Now, if Saunders clowned Jacobs like he did Lemieux, you would have a strong case.
     
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  2. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    To be sure he had this thing of winning first half of the fight and losing rounds thereafter but if there’s one thing about Saunders it’s that he’s brutally honest about his own performances,if he’s been bad he’s said I can forget GGG ect so when he said those wins over Eubank and Lee were him at 70% as he’d not trained properly I think we can believe him.
    I’ve never doubted his talent but I totally washed my hands of the guy after he won the belt and was looking to go the same way as his pal Tyson Furey,blowing up in weight,not defending the belt ect it was maddening to see such a talent waste away his career so when I heard he’d switched trainers to Ingle I had a real good feeling cause it was always his mind that needed to be right and now that he’s back in love with the sport and putting the work in I’m not surprised how he performed against Lemieux and in case anyone thinks Lemieux was a poor opponent and that Saunders should of won as easy as he did well they should go back to his fight last year against Akavov when he was overweight ect,BjS looked awful that night and could of lost to someone he should never lose to proving that even with his talent if his mind ain’t right and he doesn’t put the work in then it possible to lose against anyone.

    Isal only ever answers posts with a view to promoting his fav guy Canelo so when he talks of Saunders having fought nobody as yet even though they were so much better than the unknown Liam Smith,dragged up two divisions and ultra Chinny Amir Khan,the weight drained Chavez Jnr made to fight at Canelos 164 catch weight that Oscar knew would leave Chavez with nothing in the tank on fight night,I could go on but to be sure Saunders hasn’t had this luxury of picking opponents with catch weights,he took risks before he needed to and beat the other man at the time in the division Andy Lee and even his stay busy fights have been against guys like Monroe who is very difficult and awkward to face and coming up soon him facing Murray who to be sure is at the backend of career and BJS should be expected to win easy but nonetheless it’s still more than your average showcase fight,he’s also a tough son of beatch lol.
     
  3. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    respect for putting yourself out there!
    this is the kind of post that could elevate you to legendary status in, say, 12-18 months time ;)
     
  4. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    OkIsal apologies for insinuating that but your logic is flawed as Jacobs has lost twice and hasn’t fought a Eubank,Lee and doesn’t have a world title.
    My point is I don’t have to overhype Saunders as he what he is and has done as much and more in the Middleweight division as the rest of em,boxing is such an unforgiving sport and just make it into the top ten of any division regardless of who they fought should be commended and so whilst CST80 and others on here have rated him for time never have we overhyped him as we already knew how good he were which is why we expected him to school Lemieux as he did when so many expected a Lemieux knockout.
    I just get annoyed with folk who don’t hold their own favourite boxers to the same standards so if you wanna example you have Crawford someone I rate as PFP top three on the eye test but resume wise he’s fought nobody on the respective level as BJS opponents,Postal,Indongo are not something to get excited about let alone get hyped about.

    You’ll see how good he his when and if he get Canelo in the ring,stylistically he’s a nightmare for Canelo.
     
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  5. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thought it was me going mad,kept wondering how he’d never heard of Eubank jnr a guy whose moved up to super middleweight to showcase his skills in the tournament and is facing a true super middleweight in George Groves and yet Isal keeps on insisting Lemieux is the better win than Eubank and Lee just to back his own failed statement of Saunders having fought nobody and needs to step up lol.
    To be fair and give him a chance to explain I asked him to name other current Middleweight s who have done more and fought this better competition he keeps alluding to only he said he doesn’t need to give any examples.s
    There’s no way on earth Oscar and Canelo entertain Saunders as he’s way too slick and even GBs corrupt judges wouldn’t be able to save him such would be the schooling not unlike against Lemieux.
     
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  6. Angler Andrew

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    To be sure there were plenty picking Lemieux by KO
     
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  7. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh I don’t know,wins over PFP guys in GGG and Canelo would be as good as anything Lomo and Crawford imo.
     
  8. Serge

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    The Ring Magazine's current top 10 pound for pound ratings

    1. GGG Golovkin
    2. Crawhype (ridiculous to have him that high, disgraceful even)
    3. Loma (I have him at #1 but I guess Oscar and co have given it to GGG because even they agree that he beat Canelo)
    4. Kovalev
    5. Canelo
    6. Mike Garcia
    7. Inoue
    8. E-Spence
    9. Rigo
    10. SSR

    Is BJS 2.0 better than and should he be ranked above Canelo, Garcia, Inoue, E-Spence, Rigo, and SSR? You're damn straight he is and should be. So he's definitely top 5 and if he beats GGG (after GGG has sparked Canelo in the rematch of course) he's undoubtedly #1 or #2. Facts
     
  9. Kevin Willis

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    If GGG can win 8-10 round over Alvarez and not get a victory then how is Saunders going to? FFS Saunders just ran his way to a decision over an injured Lemieux and everyone is a prisoner of the moment. Derevyanchenko is better than Saunders.
     
  10. Angler Andrew

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    That just stupid talk and you know it,did you even watch that fight cause Lemieux sure took a beating against someone running,he won every round convincingly,bloodied his nose up and to be sure he could of gone for stoppage but was advised against it by Ingle.
    I’m a Golovkin fan but at this stage of his career I could see him losing to Saunders,just look at the way he fights-
     
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  11. Kevin Willis

    Kevin Willis Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Biggest case of prisoners of the moment in a long time.

    Did you watch Saunders drop 4 rounds to Monroe Jr the fight prior or get the gift against the unknown Russian before that? Now he is repaying all you sycophants with some lame title defensebut i am sure he will give you all by running his dumb mouth about how great he is.

    Guy did nothing but hold that belt hostage for years swerving a prime GGG and fighting nobody then he beats a shot injured tailor made Lemieux and he is on his way to P4P top dog. LOL

    Saunders is now going back to lame opponents and long winded interviews with that weirdo Koogan Cassius not ascending the P4P rankings. Lemieux will be Saunders Wlad and nothing more will come of his career just like Fury.
     
  12. fistsof steel

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    This...
     
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  13. IsaL

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    Unbelievable.. You're living in your own made up narrative. Or m are you having a difficult time comprehending my argument. Either way I've made my point which is completely unbias while you've admitted to being a long time Saunders fan like CST80 is, so clearly there is bias in most of your argument regarding him. I disagree that GGG is ducking BJS, I disagree Canelo is ducking Saunders, I dont believe he would beat SRR, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler, or Bernard Hopkins.

    I dont rate Eubank as a world level fighter. And I don't think Lee is any better than Lemieux. If you want to argue thaf he is that's fine, but even then you can't say he's considerably better.

    I think BJS resume is decent for an up and coming promising contender, and as a contender he has earned his shot at the top MWs.

    Ive always maintained that a fighter needs to prove he is the best or that he belongs to be counted amongst the best by fighting the best.

    You don't have too respond back to all my points at once. Pick something and tell why you think Im wrong.
     
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  14. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Can someone explain to me why Jacobs holds the cards when it comes to a fight with Saunders?

    Jacobs got a shot at GGG after beating nobody.....

    Saunders deserves a shot after dominating Lemiuex for 12 rounds.
     
  15. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Absolutely there were. I picked Lemieux.
     
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