Bomb Squad or Bum Squad?

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  1. Boxing Prospect

    Boxing Prospect Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Which better sums up Deontay Wilder?
     
  2. treeve

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    Bombs away on Saturday I think.. Stiverne is an extremely average fighter who I don't feel will cope with the power.. Wilder IS a ticking time bomb with that chin and its only matter of time before its exposed, which makes this fight very exciting!
     
  4. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    I don't know what kinda Sqaud yet.

    He mostly fought bums, but also a couple of decent journeymen and an occasional unproven prospect. (I don't count the Scott win because of the fishy nature of that fight).
    He does seem to have game changing power though.
     
  5. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I don't like Wilder, I'm picking Stiverne to beat him, and his resume does not nearly approach his hype.

    HOWEVER, at a certain point you have to realize that he has beaten a lot of known journeyman and you have to acknowledge that beating Sergei Liakhovich KO1, Malik Scott KO1, Jason Gavern RTD4, Kertson Manswell TKO1, Audley Harrison TKO1, Nicolai Firtha KO4, Owen Beck RTD3, and Dominique Alexander TKO2 eventually does add up to not all that less than some still-touted Heavyweights out there. People who are apt to hate on Wilders' resume yet praise other unprovens whom they are fans of are often hypocrites in that regard.

    If Wilder does manage to dispatch Stiverne on Saturday, I think he will be the relatively clear-cut #3 Heavyweight behind only Wladimir and Povetkin... as sad as that may seem and as bitter as that may make some folks.
     
  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Why do people dislike Wilder? I really don't get it, okay he's hyped up, but is that automatically a reason to dislike a fighter so viciously, he's unproven, we don't know how good he is, but I'm sure we're going to find Saturday and what will everyone say when he beats Stiverne....oh well I guess Stiverne was a bum, a lot of people are setting themselves up to have egg on their face come Saturday night if everything doesn't go as they think it will.


    Who the hell has Stiverne beat..... a shot Chris Arreola twice, Chris had a good chin, but as with every HW there seems to come a time when their chin fails them, that may have been the case with the Stiverne fight, we finally saw Chris' chin give way after years of takng a ton of punishment.

    Who else, he UD'd Willie Herring who was KO'd in 2 by Dorticos who's a Cruiserweight. Stiverne could NOT KO him

    Ray Austin it took Stiverne 10 rounds to stop Ray, when it took Wlad 2, 8 years ago.

    Manswell who's been KO 5 other times once by Tor Hamer in 1 and by Wilder in 1.

    Ramon Hayes who's been KO 19 times.

    Jerry Butler who's been KO 4 times.

    He got a MD win over Charles Davis who'd been KO'd 6 times, once by Seth Mitchell in 2. Stiverne could NOT KO him

    He could only UD Robert Hawkins who's been KO 4 times and lost 23. Stiverne could NOT KO him.



    Stiverne has also beat nothing but bums, except for Arreola, but wait Chris is kind of a bum as well.
     
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    I would have more respect for wilder if he actually fought someone of arreola's toughness.
    Maybe if wilder had fought some actual tough journeymen like say; Sherman Williams, or Even Chauncey Welliver (who went 10 rounds with ustinov) the i would respect him but he just doens't have one fight where he has actually been in the trenches.\Though that's because his chin wouldn't allow any recovery from a hard punching journeyman.

    Sleep well Wilder cause its lights out Jan 17th 9:05pm
     
  8. boxingscience

    boxingscience Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's not a bum, even if he loses, he's not a bum. This is the problem with boxing today, the boxing fans are ****. It's the main reason why boxers are so scared to lose because boxing fans are too impatient and label every boxer that loses today as a bum, until that boxer starts winning again then it's back on the wagon.
     
  9. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    If you are referring to my post, which I assume you are because nobody mentioned Fury and your previous post was the one right before mine...

    And if you are referring to my post, then please read carefully where I say: "If Wilder does manage to dispatch Stiverne..." That's a big "if." And yes, if he does defeat Stiverne in impressive fashion I see no reason how Fury could still rank above him. Their resumes are largely the same beyond Chisora X2 and beating Stiverne right now is a clear class win above Chisora.
     
  10. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    This exactly.

    Fans and their diva mindset have led to the relevance of the ZERO.

    Oddly enough they complain about it when it doesn't fit their preferences yet they are the ones responsible for that mindset because they flip the script when it fits their agenda. Protect the zero!

    And now over time they have legitimized the importance of the zero and minimizing losses because they have forced fighters into taking the path of least resistance. So when they do lose, it's a much bigger deal... Also the modern fighting schedule of less bouts in ones' career will naturally heighten the emphasis on losses and poor performances.
     
  11. CST80

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    You could Liakhovich is a tough journeyman, all of his stoppages came 9 rounds or later.

    Kelvin Price is respectable, had never been KO'd until he fought Deontay, it took monster puncher Mansour 7 to stop him.

    Damon McCreary had never been KO'd.


    I'm not saying Deontay is great, just that Bermane isn't that good either, it took him 2 matches to stop Chris, the first time he beat him on points, which isn't that hard to do. And how shot was Chris when they fought????? who knows.
     
  12. Boxing Prospect

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    Flipping that slightly fans also don't like fighters talking the talk whilst fighting complete no hopers. Fans respect fighters with a loss when they are fighting the best and in fact a loss can often ENHANCE a fighters reputation. We've seen Kamegai, Chaves, Provodnikov, Maidana and Amagasa all enhance their reputations on the back of losses.
     
  13. treeve

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    Liakhovich was shot when Shannon Briggs Ko'd him in the 12 round of there fight.:hi:
    Liakhovich vs Brewster Riuned both fighters. It was a war for the ages.:hat
     
  14. D-G-TheTruth

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    :good
     
  15. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I suspect bum squad though it wouldn't be a total shock if he won, he seems to have legit power and Stiverne's best win is against a gate keeper in Arreola who in my opinion has only really been a fringe top 20 fighter even at his best.

    How he wins or loses will say a lot about his actual ability. If he bombs Stiverne out early like he has with everyone else I'd expect the hype to go insane and rightly so even I would see him as a genuine challenger if he iced Stiverne in a round or 2. If he wins a close or very competitive fight then he'd be seen as legit fighter but no threat at all to Wlad.

    If he get's KO'ed like when Arreola crushed Seth Mitchell then it's obvious he was only ever hype and protected. If he loses a close fight he can come again but will have to prove himself to get another shot, he won't be able to simply fight journeymen to get another shot.