BOOM! -- Deontay Wilder is the new WBA #1 Contender

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  1. MAD_PIGE0N

    MAD_PIGE0N ... banned Full Member

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    One of them has a nasty fanbase which will never consider anything different than "our cruiser is the better of them".
     
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  2. Kura

    Kura New Member Full Member

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    I truly belive Usyk is not properly tested in heavyweight yet, Chisora tryed to get nasty with him but he had not enough stamina, went to reckless but he made him problems in first rounds, I really belived Joshua could win second fight but he was a moron trying to box Usyk again lol, Wilder most likley will look like clown triping on his own legs with Usyk could be even knocked out in later rounds we dont know whats left from his chin and he dont have weight nor stamina to bully Usyk, hes only chance is littlebit of luck. Fury plays on time I also belive he thinks Usyk not tested and wants to see what up next and wait a little bit untill he's older like Floyd did with Manny. And thanks for welcoming me here
     
  3. Cojimar 1946

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    Stiverne fight 1 and Luis Ortiz are the only Wilder opponents for whom you can make a good case as being top 10 heavyweights. There isn't any case I can see for anyone else. If you want to argue otherwise I am happy to list everyone better than his other opponents.

    Helenius lost whenever he tried stepping up. Why anyone would think he was top 10 is bonkers.
     
  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He registered three knockouts and seven knockdowns over just those two guys. Time to move on.

    Wilder hits hard. Catch up.
     
  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Helenius knocked out Sam Peter when he was ranked. Helenius knocked out Liakhovich when he was ranked. Helenius beat Chisora with one arm when he was ranked. Helenius stopped Kownacki when he was rated in the top four by every org and rated by Ring. And then Helenius stopped him again in a second eliminator.

    You've been wrong about everything ... from Gassiev and Bakole to Helenius to Wilder.

    Time to move on.

    Wilder punches hard.
     
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  6. Cojimar 1946

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    So do Gassiev, Joshua, Bakole, Makhmudov, Anderson and many others. Some of whom have higher kayo percentages than Wilder.
     
  7. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Chisora clearly beat him though and Peter and Brewster were no longer top 10 heavyweights when they fought him.

    Who has Kownacki beaten that warrants a top 10 ranking?
     
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  8. Dubblechin

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    Ask the WBC, the WBA, the IBF, the WBO and RING. They all ranked him in the top 10. The WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO all had him in the top four when Helenius stopped him the first time.

    I don't work for any of them. Don't take it up with me.

    Time to move on.
     
  9. Cojimar 1946

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    In some instances we can simply common sense. If Kownacki was a genuine top 10 heavyweight in addition to not losing to Helenius one would have expected him to have a much easier time with Arreola, Charles Martin, and not to have lost to Ali Emin Demirezen. Funny that Helenius beating Kownacki would catapult him into the top 10 but when Kownacki loses in his very next fight to someone else the other guy doesn't get a rating boost.

    A younger Helenius lost by kayo to Duhaupas and Washington. Short of a one punch fluke that's not what I would expect from a top 10 heavyweight. He was also schooled by Whyte who generally struggles against world class guys. He barely scraped by Parker and was dropped by Rivas but had no issues with Helenius.
     
  10. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Dear lord, the *or*n you are, using other people's words like you're very smart and knowledgable. Of course, your capacity chose some stupid video like some profound assessment.

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    Don't worry, I've a déjà vu of your reply.
     
  11. ruffryders

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    Everyone questions these "Top 10" Wilder has fought, but don't hold the same standard to other fighters.
    All his defences were against Top 15 WBC ranked opponents, around 6 of which were in The Ring Top 10.

    You have an issue of how certain fighters are ranked top 10, but name 10 people better than them.
    Even if you get to 10, as its all subjective, there is reason to believe the WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO or anybody else has a different opinion.

    Adam Kownacki was a big name prospect at the time with a decent following.
     
  12. Cojimar 1946

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    But Kownacki was clearly struggling with guys one wouldn't expect a top 10 guy to struggle with and immediately following his losses to Helenius lost to a guy who nobody seems to be claiming belongs in the top 10.
    Overall the evidence pretty heavily points to Kownacki being overrated going into the Helenius fights. The sanctioning bodies have pretty bizarre ratings and probably shouldn't be taken seriously.

    Duhaupas beat Helenius and nobody seems to cite him as an impressive top 10 win for Povetkin or Jarrell Miller so I'm not sure where the double standard is. I certainly don't view him as a good win for either man.
     
  13. chuckscap

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    If Usyk is stupid enought to fight Wilder, he will end up face down with his legs twitching.
     
  14. catchwtboxing

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    Dude, Usyk almost always gives away the first two rounds. It is to time the southpaw jab over his opponent's.

    He didn't do so against Joshua because he knew that with the crooked judges, every round would count. But in virtually every other fight, this is the case. He is THAT good.

    He outlanded Chisora on 9 of 12 round with one being even, and staggered Del Boy in the 7th. It is only considered a hard fight because of crooked judges and dumb fans.

    Also, he had covid jsut before, so I would not read too much into it one way or the other.
     
  15. JohnThomas1

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    What six were in the Ring top 10 at the time he fought them out of interest?