BOOM! -- Deontay Wilder is the new WBA #1 Contender

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  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Briedis has a 66 percent KO percentage against mainly cruisers who weigh the same as he does. Same with Gassiev, whose KO percentage is 70 percent, again, mainly against cruisers.

    Wilder has a 91 percent KO percentage ALL against heavyweights ... many of whom routinely outweighed him by 20, 30, 40 and god knows how many pounds. (Wilder hasn't outweighed an opponent in 11 years!)

    Usyk's never faced a puncher like Wilder. Fury said he thought he (Tyson) got brain damage from their last meeting.

    EVERYONE knows Usyk can outbox Wilder. But NOBODY knows if Usyk can take Wilder's power, because he's never faced anyone with remotely the power of Deontay. That's the drama of the fight.

    And, for all his skills, Usyk always gets hit flush in fights. Wilder is going to hit him.

    Anyone dismissing Wilder's chances of a KO are fooling themselves. Nobody fights Wilder without getting hit with that right. Only Fury has survived, and he outweighed Wilder by 40 pounds in all their fights and still had to get off the floor four times to do so.

    It would be an awesome matchup. (Usyk will probably weigh more than Wilder, on top of that.) Hope it happens. The momentum seems to be going in that direction.
     
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  2. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Usyk has a pretty good chin, but Wilder's power is on another planet next to Gassiev or any one else Usyk has fought. Usyk has the skill to outbox him for sure but one slip up and it's _____________ flat line unconsciousness . If this fight takes place and Tony Weeks isn't the ref I might bet on Deontay if as I suspect the odds will be pretty decent.
     
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  3. MAD_PIGE0N

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    @Dubblechin what you say is 100% correct, it's just impossible to be processed by a low IQ Usyk *sswasher like sopolivilev. He's so low now that he excuses the crap activity of his knight with the activity of someone he considers a scum. It's funny watching him choking on his own idiocy.
     
  4. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    Wilder's one-punch KO power has always been overrated. Also, he has no wins over any notable opponents apart from Ortiz (who doesn't have a notable win on his resume either, btw). Wilder is a huge puncher but if you are not a total tomato can, it's hardly a straight KO in the first round. Wilder isn't just knocking anyone and everyone out with a single punch.

    Also, you mentioned Fury. First starters, Fury has an average chin at best. When a Cunningham can put you on your arse, your chin is nothing to write home about. What Fury has is extraordinary recovery powers. But many people confuse that with the term "chin". Usyk's chin is one of the best in the business. And every single time Fury was hit by Wilder that ended in a KD, it was Fury rushing in carelessly. Wilder is so clumsy and has so poor balance and technique that a fighter of Usyk's (or Fury's) calibre can see that telegraphing from a mile away. When Fury was focused and not careless ( = the second fight) Wilder could do absolutely nothing. And Usyk is even faster and has an even better ring IQ than Fury.

    When Usyk gets hit, it's in close range. Once again, Wilder is only useful against tomato cans in close range. Mention any fighters ever who landed anything significant on Usyk from a distance, ever. That's what Wilder does, throws his right hand from a distance. The Helenius KO was the same, Helenius just followed him carelessly and leant into the right that was coming.

    Usyk is no Szpilka (who btw boxed Wilder's ears off for seven rounds) to get tired and he is not Helenius to chase Wilder in a corner and lean into his right hand. Wilder will not land anything significant on Usyk.
     
  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's where you lost me. ;)

    True, one-punch KO power is rare. You can't overrate it. Practically nobody demonstrates one-punch KO power all throughout their career. Guys can score one, maybe two memorable one-punch KOs in their careers. But they don't make entire careers out of doing it.

    How many did Shavers score? One (Ellis)? How many did Rocky score? One (Walcott the first time)? How many did George Foreman score? One? (Moorer)

    Wilder scored three LEGIT one-punch KOs against three of his last four opponents (Ortiz, Helenius and Breazeale).

    Hell, Wilder wasted Helenius, who outweighed him by 40 pounds, with one-shot last time out that most people didn't even see.

    If Usyk can take it, more power to him. If Usyk can't, he loses ... in an instant.

    If you can't see that, you're purposely trying not to.
     
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  6. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sorry friend, if there's one thing about Wilder that is NOT overrated it's his powerful right hand, it's an A +. The rest of his game is D to C -
     
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  7. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    All I'm saying is that it's a myth that Wilder just needs to touch anyone and it's lights out. If Wilder were to land that clumsily disguised, telegraphed punch from a distance, then sure, he will knock everyone out. But the chances of him landing that on Usyk is pretty much next to zero. There is simply no circumstance that Usyk would be that careless, that slow or that tired.

    A guy like Usyk has a different perspective on KO artists like Wilder. In the European amateur circuits, where Usyk fought over 400 fights, there is every type of fighter, including 6'7 tall monster punchers. There is no single style or build that Usyk hasn't seen, sparred with or fought against before. He is probably thinking "ah, yeah, I remember that 6'7 Russian with the dynamite right hand, and how I boxed his ears off". These guys, this calibre of fighters with that much experience, they are simply not impressed by Wilder's power the same way fans are. I'm sure that Usyk is aware and respects Wilder's power - but I'm also sure he is not that impressed and surely not intimidated by it.
     
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  8. spravedlivylev

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    His power is not overrated, granted. What is overrated however is the notion that all he has to do is touch his opponent once and it's lights out.
     
  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nobody thinks he just touches you and you're out. He's got a monster right hand. He's stopped everyone he's faced except Fury, who is the biggest World Heavyweight champ in history (not counting WBA 'champ' Valuev) who also had 40 pounds on Wilder in all their fights. And Wilder still flattened him four times.

    The days of denying Wilder's power are over.

    Usyk's going to get hit with it. (Because he isn't unhittable. He gets hit a lot. Chisora won five rounds off him.) Let's see if he can take it.
     
  10. Johnny1987

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    He has a good chin but he aint no triple G. You said the second biggest puncher in the division in Joshua, we are talking about the biggest puncher in boxing since Julian Jackson. Stop being emotional, I wont agree with you
     
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  11. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    But then again, when Pajkic and Cunningham knocks you down, you have an average chin at best. Fury is skilled enough to dodge punches. But his chin is nothing to write home about.

    The Chisora thing is so tiresome. Usyk played possum, just did enough to win but not too much. Besides the obvious fact that a slugger like Chisora rushing forward in the hopes of a quick KO victory against a stick and move merchant type of classic boxer like Usyk will always have that type of fight, Usyk was told not to stop Chisora in the seventh. Del Boy was there for the taking, Usyk still didn’t go in for the kill. It’s amusing how Del Boy was literally just standing there at the end of the seventh, leaning on the ropes tired and dizzy, while he never hurt Usyk with anything and yet, this myth about how tough a fight he gave to Usyk keeps popping up.
     
  12. spravedlivylev

    spravedlivylev Haaaappy Neeeew Yeeeear! banned Full Member

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    When you need to go “stop” followed by snowflake, emotional and whatnot, you are out of it already, mate.

    Usyk never even received a standing eight count in his entire professional career. 20 professional bouts against the likes of Breidis, Gassiev and Joshua without being even hurt has written “iron chin” all over it, and I don’t give a damn if you agree with me or not. Facts are facts, even if you don’t agree with them.
     
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  13. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He has been punched by Joyce, Joshua, Nistor, Mehzidov, Gassiev, Hrgovic, Dychoko, etc.

    You don't know what you are talking about.
     
  14. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Wilder looked like he was unconscious after Fury first connected with him in their third fight. After the three wars those two had, both Fury and Wilder have diminished punch resistance.

    Usyk stands a good chance of knocking Wilder out before he can land a flush right hand.
     
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  15. WhataRock

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    If this fight comes off there will be a baptism of the Ukrainian Orthodox persuasion.