Borges says Arreola's a bum

My kids asked me which fighter was Arreola, the thin one or the fat one. I told them the one with the man boobs.

True story.

 

I could try harder than Cris against Klit and I probably wouldn't last 20 seconds.

The point is, if Cris had gone to altitude and did some Rocky style training, he might have been in the shape required to actually have a shot at winning. That shot was going in there and blasting away at Klit until he KOed him. This would require tremendous conditioning. I said in a post before the fight that if Arreola could not KO Klit, he was f--ked, and it was dead on the money.

Some people said Cris was going to win a decision? Seriously, not with that body.

Cris has balls and he stood in front of a guy who has KOed all but two opponents. The problem is he gave himself no chance of winning with his jokes about Michael Phelps etc. You don't drink beer if you are a professional boxer training for a fight.

 

WRONG!

Arreola's stamina was good and having more stamina would have changed nothing!

Arreola can try to get some more skills, but his weight and his stamina were not an issue in this fight.

Skills and experience were the difference. A difference that will never be equaled out. Vitaly is just far too good.

However, with a lot of technical training Chris should learn and become a better fighter. He will never ever be anywhere close to a Vitaly though. But less should be enough to win a belt once Vitaly retires.

 

:rofl wow man, your funny. Vitali Klit, a guy with terrible technique, terrible footwork, no hand-feet coordination, no defense, would be too skilled for Joe Frazier. The only advantage he has is his size and strength. Keep trying though.

 

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Highlights from the Vitali and Arreola fight

 

I remember when Borges could not say one good thing about Vitali or Vlad. I do not respect anything he says or writes, he has an agenda.

 

A funny thing ...
Someone posted about Vitali against Ali, Foreman and Frasier. I replied the Frasier was the only one of the 3 who stood a chance. And that all Arreola had to do was watch his first fight with Ali and mimic that.

 

I agree with everything you say here. It is inexplicable that Borges is overlooking or deliberately ignoring these facts.

Again, I believe that Borges's object is to write inflammatory articles to satisfy his employer's readership and subscription goals.

 

Ali, Frazier and Foreman would all beat Vitali. However Vitali would have given an excellent account of himself.

An irony here is that if Vitali had been fighting in the 1970s -- and losing to these greats -- he would get massive popular aclaim and be remembered as a nearly great fighter himself.

 

Vitali would have knocked Frazier and Foreman out, no doubt about it.

Emanuel Steward (2005): “He does have the skill. And he’s very effective in an awkward way. He has an unusual gift that I’ve watched it in training, that really sets him out greatly. Not from being big, he has a little bit of the clumsiness to a degree, he’s not as physically coordinated as his younger brother. But he has this unusual sense of feeling a punch before it comes – but can still move in an awkward direction as far as to neutralize it – and throwing a weird punch at the same time. I saw him do that in the gym so effectively. And its something that can’t be taught. You can just feel the guy getting ready to throw a left hook and he’ll throw a counterpunch, like, from underneath the left hook and move his body at angles that I haven’t seen. And that’s what makes him effective. He’s very effective with that _style_.”

Stacy McKinley: “Vitali Klitschko is probably the best thinking fighter heavyweight since Muhammad Ali. He’s a very smart, intelligent fighter. Very smart,” said McKinley last week in an interview we did in New York City. “He can box, he can throw punches from all angles. He can move. He can take a punch. He’s tall. He’s busy. He’s very hard to hit. Good thinker. Oh, he’s a helluva thinker.”

McKinley got a close up view of the WBC Heavyweight champion in Berlin last year while working with Samuel Peter. “That’s what I said when I fought him with Samuel Peters. I said, Don’t try to think with this guy. Don’t try to out-box or out-think this guy. Get in there and fight this guy. But he want to sit back and try to out-think him. You can’t do it. And I told him, He’s probably the smartest heavyweight I’ve seen in the ring since Muhammad Ali. And I’ve seen a lot of good fighters. Larry Holmes and all them were good fighters but they weren’t good thinkers. This guy Vitali is a great thinker. It seems like he knows what you’re gonna do before you start to do it. So he’s very, very, very cagey. I don’t think nobody can beat him.”

When I ask which fight or fights of Vitali were most impressive which convinced him to become a believer, he replies, “Well, the Lennox Lewis fight. The left-hander he fought that beat his brother (Corrie Sanders). All these guys he fought. He’s just so smart. He moves good. A real intelligent fighter.”

Then I suggest something many pundits have not yet begun to accept or contemplate. Is Vitali one of the heavyweight greats of all time? McKinley does not disagree. “One of the greats and that’s what I said. I told him. I haven’t seen one that smart since Muhammad Ali. I told him after the fight with Peters, post press conference. Smartest I’ve seen as far as thinking. Most of the guys can’t think that well. He’s just great, man, a great thinker. Since Muhammad Ali. He’s that smart.”

Does Cristobal Arreola have any chance to beat Vitali? “No,” replies McKinley without a hint of doubt. “Three or four rounds he might get knocked out. He can’t beat that kid. Standing up too straight, he ain’t got the chin or the skills. This guy, like I tell you, he knows what he’s doing. And I was talking to his brother Wladimir, he was down in Miami. I said, Have you and your brother ever sparred together?

“Wladimir said, No, we’re too competitive. I said, Let me tell you something. That’s a smart boy. He said, Yeah, he’s very hard to fight. I said, You don’t have to tell me. He’s very hard. He’s the best heavyweight out there. I don’t think anybody can beat him.”

Does McKinley believe Vitali is the superior heavyweight fighter to Wladimir? “Oh yeah. He’d knock Wladimir out. Wladimir’s got good, basic fundamentals but he couldn’t do nothing with that kid. Kid’s too good, man. And I knew we were gonna have a hard fight with Samuel Peters. I said, Go in and put pressure on, cut the ring off and fight him. Don’t think with him. Don’t try to out-box him. Because you can’t out-think him. You’ve got to fight him. But he tried to think and you saw what happened. It was no contest. He quit.”

 

Vitali Klitschko would annihilate Joe Frazier. Joe would land nothing and get battered into submission. For God's sakes, Frazier was 5'11" with a 73" inch reach. And around 205-210 lbs. Vitali Klitschko is 6'7"+, 80" and 245+. And he's never been down, or even seriously hurt, despite getting hit flush by guys like Sanders and Lewis -- massive men with hard, fast punches.

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until he picked Holyfield to beat Tyson. Sad to see him regressing here.

Finally, Vitali can easily throw 70+ punches/round. The biggest question to answer in a Vitali K-Frazier fight would be could Frazier land even one meaningful punch before he was utterly dominated and stopped.

Men larger and faster than Frazier -- people like Hide and Byrd -- did nothing with Vitali. Neither of them, of course, is on Frazier's level but that's not the point. Each is faster than Joe and Hide had plenty of power but it didn't matter. The size disparity was simply too much and despite their vast quickness advantage they could not get to, or do anything with, VK. If anyone thinks Joe would have done better, you're nuts.

By the way, Hide had a 75" reach and Byrd 74".

The only person around Joe's size who could even think of challenging VK would be Prime Tyson. And that is because of his freakish speed/power combination, aggression and overall athleticism. And his exceptional skill set, including power punching in combination. It would not be an easy fight for Tyson at all but he would have a legit shot. Frazier would not.

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Borges' article had a lot of good points, but two comments:

- Scar's right: This was VK's hardest fight since Lewis, and that includes the Gomez fight. VK had to constantly be weary of CA's power and aggression, whereas Gomez faded quickly after the first few rounds. Yes, Arreola's an undisciplined fatty who should be dissed for that, but he also is a big guy with a hard punch and solid chin who was determined and undefeated.

- Borges' touches on a lot of good points, but the part where he apparently let Teddy "I hate the Klitschkos" Atlas take over the keyboard and write BS about Frazier decking Vitali was a real disappointment. Note to Ronnie: Don't let Teddy Atlas help you write columns, and don't make bets based upon who Teddy thinks will win.

 

Titty At-l-ASS picked Kirk Johnson to knock Vitali out with one punch!

 

It's amazing what hate will make you say. Nice work, Teddy! :good

 

He had hype about him but that's it. All of a sudden people were proclaiming him as the saviour of the division but in reality he didn't have an abundance of talent and was overrated. I think he slips into obscurity from here on in.

 

vitali would have taken poor joe fraziers head right off. If a slow-mo foreman could club him to death imagine what a powerful athletic type like klit would do. That is the worst Borges (aka Bogus) article I have read.