Bottom line: Haye didn't sign

Nobody's risking anything. I'm getting more and more convinced that the agreement between the brothers is that Vitali will fight Haye to achieve a belt parity with Wlad if he wins of course.

 

So, without meaning to **** stir - the bottom line of this thread is that Haye couldn't sign for July 2nd because of his mandatory

 

Of course they are. Which fights make more money:

Haye v Wladimir/Vitali or Chagaev vs Wladimir/Vitali?

As all great champions would do :-(

 

This. This is exactly right. They are both to blame. Though I do feel to some extent that Wlad didn't need to fight Chisora, whereas now this is going to happen, Haye MUST fight to Chagaev or he will be stripped. If Haye can only get a date in May or June for that fight he won't have enough time to train for Wlad. He does have a fair point in this respect. Where Haye's argument tumbles is if he can get the fight with Chagaev done for say late March or early April - then he will have plenty of time. If I was Haye i'd say to Wlad 'let me to talk to Chaegaev's people and see if we can do a fight in March, then and only then, will I sign to fight you on July 2.' Him getting all defiant and saying that the fight is off is not helping anything at all.

 

The situation with two brothers dominating a division is unprecedented. But believe or not, Wlad and Vitali have their issues between the two of them, especially with them being the co-owners of K2 Promotions. How they decide who fights whom, only God knows. Maybe they throw a coin or something. Just remember that their life-long goal has been to have all the belts in the family and it seems only natural that each of them has two. Moreover, as Vitali retires, Wlad will get a chance to recapture the vacated titles in the coming years, so letting the big bro take on Haye is quite logical here.

 

I Agree i read alot of post with people saying bonte wanted Vitali vs Haye not Wlad i dont know why? But if Wlad takes Adamek which its looks like he has then I can see Vitali happening

 

You're still not addressing the issue of allowing Haye to possibly lose to Chagaev and blow what would be a career high pay day for either brother just to fight Chisora or Solis.

And I don't buy that whole 'two belts' belt conjecture, which is what it is - K2 was adamant they wanted 50% of the £millions Haye's Sky PPV contact generates for this fight. If it was simple as getting Vitali the belt then they wouldn't have wasted time negotiating a Wlad fight, they would have put Vitali forward and signed the fight. Your theories and getting more and more complex, and equally as bizarre

 

3 sides. Haye's side, Wlads side, and the truth

 

Fair point. But the probability of Haye losing to Chagaev is quite low. Moreover, Hep B might allow Haye to dodge him and take on Valuev instead who's been inactive since their first fight. He probably barely moves now, so Haye should cruise to a comfortable UD this time.

 

Here mother****ing here!

We can speculate as much as we like, using logic and reasoning - but we can only go by the information we're given and what we can deduce from other actions/goings on. There's going to be so much **** we don't know.

For example for all we know there may be no real falling out and the fight may be all set for later in the year. Wlad might be finishing off his current TV deal, knowing that he can re-negotiate a far more lucrative a TV deal based on the Haye fight that will add millions more to the pot. Haye fights gets his mandatory out of the way and shakes off some rust, Wlad fights chisora and does the same - hey presto they have a fight with no step aside money, no time constraints and a good few million more in the pot. In the meantime both fighters blame each other for this fight falling through via the media, the beef continues, fans on message boards continue to debate who's to blame and the interest in the fight remains.

Anything could be happening.

I mean, that's if you're being cynical . . .

 

Haye is getting stopped by Chagaev. After that, no chance of a big money fight with Wlad or Vitali. Haye's plan backfired and now he doesn't know who to blame. Watch him try to get out of the Chagaev fight due to concerns of infection.

 

im a haye fan and im sick of all this carry on its really annoying......

why doesnt the heavyweight division sort its **** out and hold some kind of super 6 were all the "top fighters" in the division will have to come against eachother at some point...

**** all the politics, **** all the pride, **** all the shananigans get the top fighters in the ring with eachother and put some kind of strength back into the hw division cos it has gone of the map as the pinnacle of the sport.

 

Whoever is to blame, one thing is for sure, Haye had it coming. He kept fooling himself about "holding the trigger", about the Klits needing him and so on, when in truth, if a fight with a Klitchko doesn't happen, Haye ends up along side the relics of recent past who have hold the WBO paper belt.

Haye had ample opportunities in the past to take on either Wlad or Vitali, but chose the easy path and more lucrative path instead. He wanted to take the fight on his own terms, having an early retirement in mind. Well, if that was his plan, then he could at least have faced some credible opposition in the period leading up to the fight. Problem is, Audley, Ruiz, Valuev, Barret... no one is dictating terms with that kind of opposition.

That said, I still think this fight will happen. Because Haye clearly wants the fight so he can gracefully/richfully retire, while either brother would relish the opportunity to KO Haye. Haye might have to dig deep though, maybe by prolonging his boxing career.

 

I think the falling out is genuine but at the same time both parties benefit from it as you pointed out. Actually over the past two years the PERCEIVED significance of this fight has grown dramatically and so has the potential revenue from it. It's a postponed gratification effect, so in a sense, the longer it takes for this fight to materialise the more profound will be the actual event. I just hope the fight itself lives up to the expectations.

 

That was my point about what you called 'Haye's conduct/behaviour'.

Although it seems he's being an arse and disrespectful to the Klitschkos, it's that very behaviour that makes the fight as big as it is and lines the K Bros pockets.

It's the classic good guy/bad guy, the exact thing Mayweather does to sell fights. Look at how many people on this site are dying to see Haye get knocked out by Wlad because of how he's behaved. That's what makes the fight. They're both shrewd guys, they know the score.

Do you really think Haye is a actual **** in real life? He's smart got a wife, a kid. In any interview he does that's not boxing related he comes across as a good guy. He's not some nasty loose canon. He's admitted a few times that he feels stupid saying some of the things that he says, but it's his job to get out there, get attention and sell the fight. And you only have to scan the forums to see how great at it he is. At the end of the day, he's a dream for someone like the K-Bros.

As corny as it sounds, in terms of boxing as a business of making money between to fighters, he's very much the ying to the Klitschko's yang. And it's great to see the people on here going for it hook line and sinker.