Bouncing or no bouncing when it comes to footwork?

you can trick a bags reflexes with bouncing? wow you must be really good. :blurp:blurp

also, you dont keep bouncing around non stop when you are inside the other guys reach, which it sounds like you are trying to describe. you bounce around on the outside and use the bounce to mask the telegraphing of your punches, create openings and constantly force your opponent to turn and reset. bouncing=on your bicycle.

they only make sloppy punches when you havent practiced bouncing and throwing them enough or you are bouncing too high, and you are only really throwing jabs from the bounce which is easy, after that you can set your feet and unload just like normal until you want to bounce out.

it doesnt matter if it isnt powerful, alis jab was practically a backhand slap and it was still effective and cut guys up over time.

you arent even mentioning the biggest problem with bouncing, which is how much gas it uses up. i think alexis arguello was a good example of how to bounce.

for your second point, look at how arguello uses the bounce on the inside too to get both of his feet in a better spot at the same time instead of stepping. hopping and putting them where you want is much faster than taking 2 steps. notice how he doesnt keep bouncing on the inside too, he just does a quick little hop to get to a better angle and throw a combo.

 

Rok, your just doing like most do as i stated in this thread earlier, analysing my posts to make irrelevant points, ive already said the steps have their place in boxing but can be exposed like any move in boxing can be. so stop crying, im not saying your precious steps are totally useless, even though they are more flashy than functional.

I have already mentioned how its not economical movement and the effects the type of movement has on energy consumption and speed on this thread once, maybe you should read through that part again friend . Im not describing bouncing in range, if anything the movement is a defencive manouver, not the best but thats what its usually used for, only a fool would try and attack with this movement, you kid them onto it.

No one can trick a bag, and no one can hit a person like one either, jabbing and the right hand is what Ali used to damage foreman with these steps, jabbing while bouncing this way you can throw jabs, but only at set points during the movement when both feet are planted (thats assuming YOUR even doing the movement right lol) youve got to count on your opponent being in range, open, and busy scratching his ass when your at these set points and able to jab, good luck with that Ali.

Ali was a great fighter and would have been using rhythm and tempo to time his opponents like i doubt many of you could do quite as well as he did, also while throwing these jabs if they're getting countered your feet are in a **** position to do very much about it defencivley and offencivley, you cant slip or weave or roll to each side, cant side step or half step back or rock back or shoulder roll, you cant do pretty much anyof these very well or very quick off of these steps, it cost you in variety, makes you predictable and generally puts you in holes in all aspects and costs you a hell of a lot of speed lol

The steps make sloppy, lazy punches, this is a fact, maybe its not as noticable if you havent got the basics down to a half decent level yet, but when your throwing a textbook 1-2 or 1-1-2 its very clear that orthadox destroys this version of it in every way, speed, power, variation in mobility, control it cant be compared, maybe you should practice bouncing more mate, lol ive been bouncing 16 years, and not just infront of a mirror in the gym.

Ill assume the step your refering to arguello with is a step that ricky hatton favoured on the inside, because im not going to waste time hunting fight videos down for somebody that clearly knows very little about what we're talking about here, the steps are nothing like these steps Ali did, the steps we are disscussing now can only be done to the left unless you switch to southpaw, the step ricky used could be done either way. nope not the same.

 

i am actually barely reading your posts because they are long and full of stuff that makes no sense.

im not saying every fighter should bounce, im just pointing out the FACT that it can work great for a guy if he gets good at it.

there is no wrong way to box as long as you can get away with it, i am fast, tall and agile and it works great for me, i never feel like its keeping me from throwing when i want or any of the other stuff you are writing.

in fact, the only time i start stumbling and having trouble with me or my feet being in the wrong spot at the wrong time like you are talking about is when i stop bouncing and start stepping around like most guys do.

 

Sure, i wont sugar coat it anymore for you Rok because your just trying to insult me now and not doing a very good job at it, if my posts dont make sense to you its probably because your too slow to follow, fact. plenty of people i know understand and appreciate my posts, i guess your special that way.. too intelligent to understand my posts? lol, that doesnt sound right. were you too intelligent to understand your teachers at school aswell?

I wont say this a 4th time on this thread.. so this is the last time ill say it for you rok. i said the steps have their place in boxing, stop crying because youve admitted the steps are all you have and you cant actually fight using more orthadox, basic boxing steps anymore, thats your fault for trying to look flashy and a bad habit that will cost you dearly at some point if you actually fight or sparr with any half decent fighters and thats the only way you can comfortably move to your left your screwed, a quick set-up and shortened version of a side step is all it'll take to catch you out and turn you into shots.

Youve just said yourself you dont feel the things im saying are slowing you down, thats because you have no idea about the basics and rely on these steps and fail to break down boxing movements as much as good fighters do, infact it seems you dont break them down at all, just try and look like a boxer? from watching youtube videos? thats what it sounds like, why would you notice a faulter in bio mechanics when you dont or cant do orthadox steps properly? lol why would you notice when your speed is probably never anything to brag about or notice anyway when you move or strike lol,

exactly you wont because youve got everything wrong in terms of movement so somthing like this doesnt stick out like a soar thumb that the bio mechanics arent brilliant, watch mayweather throw a 1-1-2 moving to his left with orthadox steps then watch him doing the same with these steps, it greatly costs him in speed, because he has his basics nailed with orthadox steps and they cant compare in speed, power and numerous other attributes.

If your barely reading my posts why did you feel the need to create an account just to reply to one of my posts? go away kid, im here to help fighters who want to listen to someone elses opinions and experience, and it can make a good devils advocate here sometimes, well atleast when there are intelligent posters or fighters on the forums.. im not here argue with internet wannabe boxers who think theyre already there because they can do step's like Ali on the bag lol, its putting it all together in the ring that makes a good fighter, not copying the moves that Ali does infront of a mirror. go away your embarassing yourself.

 

you dont even care, you just want to argue.

 

Yes your right, i was the first to stray away from disscussing boxing technique onto making personal, irrelevant point scoring statements.. theres already plenty like you here, go back to the off topic section or somthing.

 

Point made. End thread/

 

Thanks!

 

i like to bounce early on. to just relieve the nerves. nothing majour. i also like to feint with my bounce. everytime ive done it right i have either hurt or knocked down the oppenent. cause alot teach to be super cautious and counter everything well when u try an counter u are wide open for a straight or a quick and short 1-2.

 

Bouncing early to get the flood flowing/rhythm going is no biggie, it can help. Though, if you don't have the stamina to keep it up throughout the rounds, don't do it. Generally boxers with more stamina/endurance will do it the whole given rounds.

 

Its just too predictable, if you have to slip or an oppertunity for a counter punch comes up through the slip or head movement made during the movement you can only counter with one hand.

it just helps a good fighter narrow things down too much for my liking, id rather have oppertunitys to counter either side landing any of my weapons on any part of my opponent, rather than oppertunitys to counter with only 6 of my weapons on 50% of him.

 

Word. I never thought this should be a grammar forum, but man at a point the point is lost. :think So this isn't a grammar forum, but improper forum search function usage is an actionable offense? Come on brotha.

People double post, ask about stuff like jabs all of the time. There is nothing wrong with rehashing. A person must first build up their base of knowledge before looking deeper. Depth is gained in the gym. This is just chopping it up. :good

 

Different folks, different stokes. Every person is different. Learn the basics. Live by it. Trial and error from there. Don't think bouncing is a good idea. But who knows that might be you style.

 

I know what your saying, believe it or not i try with the grammar but its not my strong point, i do try but i just feel sometimes a lot of people on this forums use it as a scape goat when the boxing related debates get too tough really, some things just need to be shown in person and realised by the fighter themselves, its hard to explain everything over a forums.
I just dont like seeing advice given that could get a young fighter hurt, thats all.