Bowe and Byrd question Tysons Legacy

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  1. The Mongoose

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    Lewis was not definatly a better puncher than Tyson. Lewis also never had a short left hook, which Mercer showed a weakness for.

    I said "busy" jab. But Thomas, Berbick, Holmes, Biggs..etc. Tyson's style was designed to bait his opponents into becoming jab happy so he can get inside with short hooks. Holyfield had to adapt this approach to beat Mercer, who couldn't adjust and ate countless left hooks, finally getting dropped by one.

    Sparring is not a real fight.

    I disagree. If Tyson is going to land that frequently on McCall to empty his tank, the fight isn't seeing the final bell.
     
  2. Azzer85

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    I did post a thread on that, its in Classic.
     
  3. Wass1985

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    Lewis couldn't hit as hard as Tyson?? Are you actually being serious here??

    Mercer had the jab but he also had the power, agression and strength to mix it up with Tyson unlike the above and we all know Tyson couldn't stand being fought hard especially post prison.
     
  4. Azzer85

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    I dont understand where all this Tyson gets tired bull**** comes from?

    First time Tyson showed any signs of stamina problems was the first Holyfield fight.

    Tyson stood to to toe with Ruddock who was just as good as Mercer.

    Mercer lacks the punch power or size that Ruddock had.
     
  5. Wass1985

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    Go watch the second Ruddock fight, you'll see Tyson fading in that fight and Ruddock finishing the stronger of the two, Ruddock was a one trick pony.
     
  6. The Mongoose

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    -I didn't say that. Lewis probably had a harder right hand. But as far s left hooks go, Tyson all the way. Lewis rarely even used a left hook, usually just as a set up for right.

    -That's a bunch of crap. I'm not convinced Mercer is better than any of those fighters, he certainly doesn't have the resume, and of course old Holmes ended up beating Mercer.
     
  7. Wass1985

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    What's that got to do with anything, just because he lost to Holmes doesn't mean he would lose to Tyson, don't you understand styles make fights??

    Morrsion sure as hell had a better left hook than Holyfield yet he couldn't drop Mercer, we can all play that game.
     
  8. The Mongoose

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    I gave my thoughts on why I feel Tyson would win and that wasn't my reason.

    Morrison was certainly rocking Mercer all over the place with them. Morrison just couldn't hold it together for very long. Tyson would never fold like that.
     
  9. Azzer85

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    Mercers power was standard, nothing special

    his aggression will work in Tysons favour, not against it.

    Strength? Mercer was about the same size as Tyson.

    People didnt mix it up for a reason and Mercer would very quickly found out why.

    Are you that desperate you have to resort to Post Prison Tyson in this fantasy matchup?

    Why not the Tyson of a decade earlier
     
  10. Wass1985

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    The talk was of when they could have met if Tyson hadn't raped Washington not some fantasy fight when Tyson was in his so called prime.

    The only way this fight could have seriously happened was when he got out of prison and I can guarantee Mercer wouldn't have took a dive like Seldon nor would he have froze like Bruno.
     
  11. Azzer85

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    So why did you mention post prison earlier on then?

    Tyson of the Ruddock fight beats the **** out of Mercer.

    Secondly they were scheduled to fight in 2002, but Tyson pulled out to fight Lewis for more money instead.
     
  12. Halfordscream

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    Fact, huh. I understand you really want to generate a rise in others on this particular fighter but there needs to be some attempt at logic ...


    "Well, studies show that four years of physical inactivity and incarceration in a cell are tremendously beneficial to an athlete's career", ______
     
  13. Wass1985

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    Tyson wouldn't have beat the **** out of Mercer after the Ruddock fights that's for sure, "I was finished after the Ruddock Fights, I had no fight in me." Tyson's own words.
     
  14. Wass1985

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    Do you read what anybody writes, I said the prison sentenced saved his career because it made him avoid certain fights that he would have possibly lost and some that he definitely would have lost thus shortening his career and harming his already tainted legacy.
     
  15. Bummy Davis

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    Rudduck had a few wins Dokes=shot and the limited James Smith but most of Rudduck's big fights were losses and I was not impressed with him or Mike Tyson in their fights....The Douglas fight and the Holyfield fight were after the 8th round when Mike typically lost his punch and IF the opponent stood up Mike became vulnerable and his mind worked against him especially if the opponent still had no fear....later on Mike quit earlier against Williams,McBride ....Intimidation was a big factor for guys like Liston,Tyson,Foreman (all big punchers) and their minds changed when the other guy hung in there and showed balls or craziness.... Foreman got a 2nd chance with the proper mind set to improve on his weakness, Tyson never got the proper mind set