Bowe is a superior boxer to Lewis

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Reading Comprehension is not your strong point.

    Lewis' depth of resume, over a much longer period of excellence, is why he is superior.

    Bowe's pathetic performances against perennial heavyweight doormat Golota are as damning as Lewis getting one-shotted twice, especially as Lewis came back to defeat both of his vanquishers.

    After Holyfield, a guy Michael Moorer turned the trick on, who is Bowe's greatest pelt? Larry Donald? Herbie Hide?

    Why was Bowe so depleted at 28? Was it that he wasn't that great to begin with? Do we see the cracks in the facade as early as Tubbs or Coetzer? Do we see the mental frailty in the Tillery fight?

    Again, these guys only belong in the conversation because they shared a division.
     
  2. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think you can say that, and still rank him behind Lewis without any shame. Honestly a prime focused Lewis that went after Ruddock or Golota and essentially stalked down Vitali, and dropped Rahman is as good as anyone who ever stepped in the ring. So saying Bowe is a somewhat close but never achieved this degree of annihilation, doesn't make anyone a hater. And being a year older than Lewis is, I watched both their careers, and on their best days, Lewis would win. Not just with skills, but with brains.
     
  3. Unforgiven

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    No, he was a very good fighter.
    The reasons he was so depleted were, 1. his continual lack of total dedication to training, and 2. Absorbing Holyfield's best punches in one of the all-time HW trilogies.
    It's not difficult to figure.

    Tubbs was at least a good boxer - you're a Tubbs fan, you should know - that was a good learning fight fight for an inexperienced Bowe.
    Coetzer was tough and on a good winning run, and in fine condition.

    Bowe was a dirty fighter. Perhaps prone to fouling out of frustration, and perhaps with a bit of an immature thuggish mentality, but I wouldn't say mentality frail.
    His 3 fights with Holyfield and especially the 2 with Golota should erase any doubts over his heart and toughness. There was no quit in Ridd!ck Bowe.
     
  4. thanosone

    thanosone Love Your Brother Man Full Member

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    Newman & Co was trying to make him into this Ali figure. Bowe would have demolished Lewis around this time. Bowe was not scared of Lewis. Let's not act like Lewis didn't duck someone. His was even more controversial and blatant.
     
  5. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I used to think that circa '93-'94, Bowe would have had too much for Lewis. He was a lot more experienced to start with. But lately, I'm not so sure anymore.
    Around this time Lewis had flaws sure, but he was still a very dangerous fighter.
    Bowe too had flaws, and maybe their old amateur fight would play on Bowe's mind.

    At the end of the day, there was a good reason why Bowe and his team trashed the WBC belt. I can accept that politics played a role, but if Bowe was so confident of beating Lewis, wby not avenge his amateur loss?
    Why not erase that bad memory and prove who was really better, before Lewis got more experience (and thus better) as a pro?

    The last thing I'd want is for my biggest rival to gain experience and a free championship belt without even having to earn it. Bowe apparently thought otherwise...unless the plan was to avoid Lewis as long as possible and hope someone else knocks him off.
     
  6. dinovelvet

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    Maybe it had something to do with Lewis turning down offers and dictating terms to Bowe like he was the Champ.
    Maybe it had even more to do with the fact King , Lewis and the WBC were all bed fellows and wanted to get Bowe stripped so he could fight on a King promoted card against Don King fighter Tony Tucker.

    I'd say all of the above along with the fact that this guy here clearly was levels inferior to Bowe and would have been very badly exposed by him if the fight had happened.

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  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Ring Magazine Annual Heavyweight Ratings 1999...

    Lennox Lewis
    Evander Holyfield
    Michael Grant
    Ike Ibeabuchi
    David Tua
    Mike Tyson
    Vitali Klitschko
    Andrew Golota
    Derrick Jefferson
    Oleg Maskaev

    Lewis beat 6 of the next 9. Dominance.
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Yeah, Rock Newman was a real straight shooter and stand-up guy.

    Funny you choose a fight where Lewis excellent combos and a brutal body attack, closing the show with a great combo the likes we rarely see from our heavies.
     
  9. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    He got ridiculed by the panel of experts and rightly so. He looked dreadful against a blow over. The type that is supposed to make you good , not bad. :rofl:oops:

    That is the Lennox that would have faced Bowe. The same version who got twisted by MaCall.

    Bowe would have done him some serious harm. They simply were not on the same level. The camera eye bares no bias like the blinded fanboi.
     
  10. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    listen, you cant say for sure just like i cant,

    i would of bet big money on LL over Bowe at any stage, Lewis had better timing which was the key.
     
  11. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Actually the atomic bull had better timing than Lewis and im willing to bet Bowe had better everything than the bull.
     
  12. Big Ukrainian

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    Yes, that was period of Lennox dominance, 99-03, not 92-03, like some try to claim.
     
  13. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    well I could give you the reasons why that isn't that important but you would just start insulting me :lol:

    Bowe imo ducked Lennox, I think he was intimidated by LL as LL had hit him hard from far away in the Olympics better than anyone Bowe had been up against. I think that stuck with Bowe,, I think that was a part of it. Regardless, that really doesn't matter, flat out I think that LL was better than Bowe, always did, even with Bowes great showings against Holy.

    see what I mean?
     
  14. Seamus

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    How the f*ck can you ridicule a guy who was ranked by Ring Magazine as either the best or second best heavyweight for 11 years?

    You want to throw stones at Lewis, then you can call him spotty, at times lazy and lackadaisical. Laying on the ropes, hands in a sh*tty guard against Rahman was the epitome of this. You can call him safety first and even boring at times. But you can not doubt his greatness and you are clearly again just speaking out your *ss thinking Bowe would blow him out of the water.
     
  15. Big Ukrainian

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    I actually believe no one came close to do with Bowe what Gonzalez did at amateurs, he really brutally KO'd Bowe in 86 or 87.The video was on youtube (now it's deleted), it was real KO, not some stoppage on feets.

    Yet Bowe faced him as a pro later (and KO'd him, yes)

    So I think it was not the main reason why Lewis and Bowe never met at pro.